Sondland remembers

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Duke41

Does the fact the Bidens son was on the board of a Ukrainian gas company at $50K a month mean anything in this equation? He is or was also on a board of some Chinese company as well. Would he have been on either without the influence of his Joe. Isn't this an important issue as well. There is a lot of shady
stuff going on in Congress. Lets go after all of them.

Inappropriate but it isn't illegal and what part did dad have in this?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Inappropriate but it isn't illegal and what part did dad have in this?

That thought only is acceptable when it applies to Republicans ..

Actions of a private citizen being compared to to the actions of POTUS

yet they have no evidence of wrongdoing by the private citizen which they gleefully ignore , yet insist its the same

But With trump they see no evil hear no evil and speak no evil .....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

That thought only is acceptable when it applies to Republicans ..

Actions of a private citizen being compared to to the actions of POTUS

yet they have no evidence of wrongdoing by the private citizen which they gleefully ignore , yet insist its the same

But With trump they see no evil hear no evil and speak no evil .....

what i see and hear, is that trump asked ukraine to do him a favor that could help him politically ( would also hurt him politically if they investigated and found nothing). even if we concede he used a quid pro quo ( still an if), there’s clear evidence of democrats doing the same thing.

so while i see the corruption there, the precedent has been set that it’s on. politicians don’t engage in who’s pro quo every day? vote for my bill and I’ll vote for yours?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

what i see and hear, is that trump asked ukraine to do him a favor that could help him politically ( would also hurt him politically if they investigated and found nothing). even if we concede he used a quid pro quo ( still an if), there’s clear evidence of democrats doing the same thing.

so while i see the corruption there, the precedent has been set that it’s on. politicians don’t engage in who’s pro quo every day? vote for my bill and I’ll vote for yours?
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All Trump was looking for was political ammunition, not an investigation and the truth. Read the deposition.

From Sondland's addendum to his testimony

In my October 17, 2019 prepared testimony and in my deposition, I made clear that I had understood sometime after our May 23, 2019, White House debriefing that scheduling a White House visit for President Zelensky was conditioned upon President Zelensky’s agreement to make a public anti-corruption statement.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

All Trump was looking for was political ammunition, not an investigation and the truth. Read the deposition.

From Sondland's addendum to his testimony

In my October 17, 2019 prepared testimony and in my deposition, I made clear that I had understood sometime after our May 23, 2019, White House debriefing that scheduling a White House visit for President Zelensky was conditioned upon President Zelensky’s agreement to make a public anti-corruption statement.

"All Trump was looking for was political ammunition, not an investigation and the truth"

(1) If the investigation showed Biden was innocent, Trump looks like an idiot. He had a reason to ask for the investigation, a reason to believe it would pay off for him. I'm not saying he asked out of pure civic duty. But just because uncovering liberal corruption helps him, doesn't mean he can never investigate democrats. He is the executive branch, that's his job.

(20 the senate democrats asked Ukraine to investigate Manafort and Trump. How was that not "looking for political ammunition"?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"All Trump was looking for was political ammunition, not an investigation and the truth"

(1) If the investigation showed Biden was innocent, Trump looks like an idiot. He had a reason to ask for the investigation, a reason to believe it would pay off for him. I'm not saying he asked out of pure civic duty. But just because uncovering liberal corruption helps him, doesn't mean he can never investigate democrats. He is the executive branch, that's his job.

What investigation? "conditioned upon President Zelensky’s agreement to make a public anti-corruption statement"

(20 the senate democrats asked Ukraine to investigate Manafort and Trump. How was that not "looking for political ammunition"?

The letter says and was bought about by reporting in the NYT that Ukraine had stopped several investigations into corruption, I thought investigating corruption was good.

"We are writing to express great concern about reports that your office has taken steps to impede cooperation with the investigation of United States Special counsel Robert Mueller. As strong advocates for a robust and close relationship with Ukraine, we believe that our cooperation should extend to such legal matters, regardless of politics. Ours is a relationship built on a foundation of respect for the rule of law and accountable democratic institutions. In four short years, Ukraine has made significant progress in building these institutions despite ongoing military, economic and political pressure from Moscow. We have supported that capacity-building process and are disappointed that some in Kyiv appear to have cast aside these principles in order to avoid the ire of President Trump. If these reports are true, we strongly encourage you to reverse course and halt any efforts to impede cooperation with this important investigation."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Inappropriate but it isn't illegal and what part did dad have in this?

dad was obama’s point person in ukraine, at a time when his son got a lucrative position he wasn’t qualified for, at a company rumored to be corrupt.


that’s a coincidence? you’re a lot smarter than that.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

dad was obama’s point person in ukraine, at a time when his son got a lucrative position he wasn’t qualified for, at a company rumored to be corrupt.


that’s a coincidence? you’re a lot smarter than that.
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And you're a lot smarter to continuously try to defend this when there is zero evidence of anything illegal.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

And you're a lot smarter to continuously try to defend this when there is zero evidence of anything illegal.

it needs to be investigated...you are working with zero facts

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

And you're a lot smarter to continuously try to defend this when there is zero evidence of anything illegal.

I never said Biden broke any laws.

Can you tell me, in plain English, what law Trump is accused of breaking regarding Ukraine?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I never said Biden broke any laws.

Can you tell me, in plain English, what law Trump is accused of breaking regarding Ukraine?

There are at least 5 at this time.

1) Illegally soliciting campaign help from a foreign government

2) Bribery

3) Misappropriation

4) Conspiracy

5) Obstruction

They are all felonies.

I forgot abuse of office, it’s only a misdemeanor
Those come right after high crimes in the Constitution

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

There are at least 5 at this time.

1) Illegally soliciting campaign help from a foreign government

2) Bribery

3) Misappropriation

4) Conspiracy

5) Obstruction

They are all felonies.

Thats some list! Please specify how each of those apply to Trumps actions in the Ukraine, and more importantly, how they differ from the examples I've posted of Obama, Biden, and senate democrats asking for political favors from foreign governments, sometimes using quid pro quo very explicitly, sometimes asking for dirt on political opponents...why is it only impeachable when Trump does it?

Is it illegal for Hilary to ask the Justice Department for campaign help? Just curious. US attorney Durham will tell us soon enough.

[scottw]

that's pete's christmas list for santa...sadly he's getting coal this year

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Please specify how each of those apply to Trumps actions in the Ukraine, and more importantly, how they differ from the examples....

please don't encourage his endless cut and pasting

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Thats some list! Please specify how each of those apply to Trumps actions in the Ukraine, and more importantly, how they differ from the examples I've posted of Obama, Biden, and senate democrats asking for political favors from foreign governments, sometimes using quid pro quo very explicitly, sometimes asking for dirt on political opponents...why is it only impeachable when Trump does it?

Is it illegal for Hilary to ask the Justice Department for campaign help? Just curious. US attorney Durham will tell us soon enough.

If you're so curious feel free to do your own research, I answered your question.

Just highlight and select search Google, then add Trump in

Like this https://www.google.com/search?q=trum...w=1098&bih=515

Keep in mind that this will be the second count for election law violations for Individual 1.