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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

How is that "demonizing" all Mexicans?

Does this demonize all Republicans?
Republicans are running for office, they are white supremacists, neo nazis, holocaust deniers, anti Semitic and some, I assume, are good people.
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[scottw]

man overboard

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Does this demonize all Republicans?
Republicans are running for office, they are white supremacists, neo nazis, holocaust deniers, anti Semitic and some, I assume, are good people.
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if some of the leading republican politicians fit your descriptions in any way, i’d agree with you. They don’t, so you have no point.

the trump administration has approved a record number of applications for citizenship. Please explain to me, why a racist or xenophobe would do such a thing? because to my simple mind, it doesn’t seem like the kind of thing a racist or xenophobe would do.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/num...ear-high-trump


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[scottw]

this is true....seems like all the anti-semitism in on the democrat side

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is true....seems like all the anti-semitism in on the democrat side

You're wrong. The Trumplican claim that Dems or anyone is anti-Semitic if they criticize Israel is wrong. Talking foreign policy is not anti-semitism.

Anti-semitic behavior is far more dangerous than political speech.

Corey Stewart, Virginia’s Republican Senate candidate, has built his political career around defending Confederate monuments#^&—#^&despite being born and raised in Minnesota. In 2017, Stewart met publicly with the man who would later organize the “Unite the Right” white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia; after a neo-Nazi allegedly killed Heather Heyer there, Stewart blamed “half the violence” on anti-racist counter#^&protesters. He also endorsed Paul Nehlen, an anti-#^&Semite and self-#^&described “pro-white” candidate who ran unsuccessfully for the Republican nomination for outgoing House Speaker Paul Ryan’s seat.

After Kelli Ward announced her candidacy against Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake (who has since decided not to run again), President Donald Trump tweeted, “Great to see that Dr. Kelli Ward is running against Flake Jeff Flake.” Before she was knocked out in the August primary, Ward got a reputation for hanging out with right-wing cranks and conspiracy theorists. She posted a photo of herself with Milo Yiannopoulos, met up with Pizzagate promoter Mike Cernovich, and spoke to a fringe medical group that claims abortion causes cancer.

In March, a 70-year-old neo-Nazi named Arthur Jones ran unopposed to become the Republican candidate for Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District. The state GOP distanced itself from Jones, a Holocaust denier who said he was running against the “two-party, Jew-party, queer-party system.”

Illinois Republicans also disavowed Bill Fawell, their candidate for the 17th District, in August after he was found to have posted conspiracy theories on Facebook. Fawell had claimed the Sandy Hook shooting was a “false flag” operation, that Israel was behind 9/11, and that Beyoncé and Jay-Z have links to “the godless Illuminati.”

John Fitzgerald, the Republican candidate in California’s 11th District, is running on a platform that includes promoting anti-#^&fluoridation and questioning “the official 9/11 story.” Fitzgerald, a painter, has offered a $5,000 reward to anyone who can prove the Holocaust really happened and has written blog posts like “Why Are Powerful Jews Pushing Mass Immigration and Forced Multiculturalism Throughout the U.S. and Europe?”

In North Carolina, for example, GOP officials are stuck with Russell Walker, a white supremacist running for the state House of Representatives. According to his personal website (littered with the n-word), he believes that “the jews are NOT semitic they are satanic as they all descend from Satan.”

Nelson Diaz, the county chairman of the Miami-Dade Republican Party was filmed alongside members of The Proud Boys, pounding a door at a rowdy protest against House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi as she visited a Democratic campaign headquarters in South Florida. Law enforcement found the crowd to be so threatening that officers locked down the building.

On his campaign website, Kansas gubernatorial candidate Kris Kobach cites a made-up anti-immigrant statistic by white nationalist writer Peter Gemma, who worked for a group that opposes “all efforts to mix the races of mankind.” Gemma has also been involved in the Holocaust denial movement and reportedly praised a leading Holocaust denier for “uncovering documents and evidence some historians don't like to admit.”

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Trumplican claim that Dems or anyone is anti-Semitic if they criticize Israel is wrong. Talking foreign policy is not anti-semitism.

And Securing our borders is not racism. just saying

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

And Securing our borders is not racism. just saying

everything not on the democratic agenda is racist. everything.

hollywood has a movie coming out ( released by universal i think, not made in someone’s basement), where wealthy people get to hunt and kill “deplorables.”
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if some of the leading republican politicians fit your descriptions in any way, i’d agree with you. They don’t, so you have no point.

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Do you think the leading or most or even a significant portion of Mexicans fit Trump’s description?
They no more fit that than the equivalent Republicans.
Those things exist in both groups to some extent as they do in all people.
When you tar a group with the worst behavior in that group, that is demonizing them.
Show me any analysis based on actual data that says large numbers of any population fit Trump’s claims.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Do you think the leading or most or even a significant portion of Mexicans fit Trump’s description?
They no more fit that than the equivalent Republicans.
Those things exist in both groups to some extent as they do in all people.
When you tar a group with the worst behavior in that group, that is demonizing them.
Show me any analysis based on actual data that says large numbers of any population fit Trump’s claims.

That's because he was always referring to a specific portion of any population, and the ethnicity or race was not the critical factor. But I understand why you want it always to be about the "population," not about specific people.

And because "those things exist . . . in all people," then we should point out when some of the people do those things if those things are not right.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

That's because he was always referring to a specific portion of any population, and the ethnicity or race was not the critical factor. But I understand why you want it always to be about the "population," not about specific people.

And because "those things exist . . . in all people," then we should point out when some of the people do those things if those things are not right.

You can’t show me this, the only data that exists is in Trump and Faux rhetoric, but Trump claims it again and again.
Show me any analysis based on actual data that says large numbers of any population fit Trump’s claims.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You can’t show me this, the only data that exists is in Trump and Faux rhetoric, but Trump claims it again and again.
Show me any analysis based on actual data that says large numbers of any population fit Trump’s claims.
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I don't know about this "only data" you refer to. I analyze specific statements. His specific statements, when honestly analyzed, don't live up to your demonization.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Does this demonize all Republicans?
Republicans are running for office, they are white supremacists, neo nazis, holocaust deniers, anti Semitic and some, I assume, are good people.
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I asked you how Trump's statement demonized all Mexicans. You could not tell me how because it doesn't. You tried one of your lying slight of hand verbal tricks that somehow was supposed to be parallel to Trump's remark, but it isn't. They are not similar or like statements. You're stretching the comparison to get a desired result.

Actually, one piece of Trump's statement is enough to disprove that he was referring to all Mexicans: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best." As for the rest of it, it was obvious that he was referring to some of the illegal immigrants. But I understand why you refuse to see that.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I asked you how Trump's statement demonized all Mexicans. You could not tell me how because it doesn't. You tried one of your lying slight of hand verbal tricks that somehow was supposed to be parallel to Trump's remark, but it isn't. They are not similar or like statements. You're stretching the comparison to get a desired result.

Actually, one piece of Trump's statement is enough to disprove that he was referring to all Mexicans: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best." As for the rest of it, it was obvious that he was referring to some of the illegal immigrants. But I understand why you refuse to see that.

Unfortunately, there’s no trick.
The verbal tricks or innuendoes are consistent in Trump’s speech.
He’s very good at it.
And he has scared many people with his rhetoric.
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