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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump started the day he came down the escalator and demonized Mexicans.

Another one of your verbal tricks. You use the inflammatory words "demonized" (you know, words like "invasion" that just shouldn't be used because it might trigger a crazy) then you falsely expand SOME Mexicans into Mexicans which of course, is the lying verbal trick of painting Trump as "demonizing" all Mexicans which, of course can slide into the phony notion that Trump is a racist (even though Mexican is not a race), and voila Trump is verbally transformed into the bad man. Words matter.

He consistently labels groups as evil in his political speech and spreads lies.

Some groups are evil. But if you're trying to slide the word "groups" to mean entire races, then you're lying. He has not labeled any race as evil.

The immigration lottery system is done by us not foreign governments choosing whom to send. Watch his rallies and think.

Don't know what you're point is.

All his life he has been a con man, that’s as close to conservative as he’ll ever get.

Another one of your exaggerated lies. "All his life" is beyond your ability to know. "Con man" does not accurately apply to everything he has done.

Just look at his cabinet with all the “best” people, the best people want nothing to do with him.
Bannon, Miller, Kushner, Kudlow, Devos, Mullaney, Hicks, Craft, Carson, Ross comprise his ship of fools with Ivanka as mascot.

Typical of your hateful rhetoric.

We are heading into a storm of trump’s own making now with the world economy and no capable leader is to be seen.
Putin is grinning.
Don’t worry though, Trump has no deals in Russia.

Still resort to innuendo and opinion when you don't have solid facts.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Still resort to innuendo and opinion when you don't have solid facts.

You do little other than resort to innuendo and opinion.
Here's Trumps statement from his announcement
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Here is a riff of his on the immigration lottery, it is all a big lie. The only true thing he says is that it exists.
How about the lottery system? How about lotteries? This was Chuck Schumer. You put the name in a basket. The country puts the name in the basket, and you pick people out of the lottery. Well, let's see this one's a murderer. This one robbed four banks. This one I'd better not say. This one, another murderer. Ladies and gentlemen, another murderer.
Think of this, do you think they are going to put their great citizens, they have great citizens, they have great people like we have great people. Do you think those people are going into a lottery? No. And then we get these people coming in, and we hold it against the country. The country isn’t based on that, the country, you just take a look, look at the people they put into these lotteries.

Here's how the lottery which is run by OUR government works:

What is the Green Card Lottery?
The Green Card Lottery, officially, the Diversity Immigrant Visa program is enacted in section 203(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act and codified in title 8 section 1153 of the United States Code. President H. W. Bush signed it into law back in 1990. It came after a series of temporary diversity programs, as an attempt to broaden the range of admitted immigrants. At the time, it especially helped the Irish fleeing their country due to unrest.

Although Diversity Immigrant Visa program is the official name, it is often referred to as the Diversity Visa Lottery or the Green Card Lottery, or some mixture of these terms. Immigrant visas awarded are often called diversity visas.

To summarize the process, applicants apply; applicants are selected at random using a computer; selected applicants are then screened through an interview process; those that pass the screening process are awarded immigrant visas; upon entry into the U.S., they are awarded their green card.

So, it is called both a visa lottery as well as Green Card lottery because winners are first given a visa which is then upgraded to a Green Card upon entry into the U.S.

Officially, 55,000 visas are awarded, however, each year 5,000 goes to the NACARA program, dropping the available number down to 50,000. The Green Card Lottery is one of several peripheral immigration programs that exist outside the more common route of family or employer sponsorship.

The largest generator of disinformation in this political arena is Donald Trump.
He finds truth inconvenient.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You do little other than resort to innuendo and opinion.
Here's Trumps statement from his announcement
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

How is that "demonizing" all Mexicans?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

How is that "demonizing" all Mexicans?

Does this demonize all Republicans?
Republicans are running for office, they are white supremacists, neo nazis, holocaust deniers, anti Semitic and some, I assume, are good people.
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[scottw]

man overboard

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Does this demonize all Republicans?
Republicans are running for office, they are white supremacists, neo nazis, holocaust deniers, anti Semitic and some, I assume, are good people.
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if some of the leading republican politicians fit your descriptions in any way, i’d agree with you. They don’t, so you have no point.

the trump administration has approved a record number of applications for citizenship. Please explain to me, why a racist or xenophobe would do such a thing? because to my simple mind, it doesn’t seem like the kind of thing a racist or xenophobe would do.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/num...ear-high-trump


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[scottw]

this is true....seems like all the anti-semitism in on the democrat side

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is true....seems like all the anti-semitism in on the democrat side

You're wrong. The Trumplican claim that Dems or anyone is anti-Semitic if they criticize Israel is wrong. Talking foreign policy is not anti-semitism.

Anti-semitic behavior is far more dangerous than political speech.

Corey Stewart, Virginia’s Republican Senate candidate, has built his political career around defending Confederate monuments#^&—#^&despite being born and raised in Minnesota. In 2017, Stewart met publicly with the man who would later organize the “Unite the Right” white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia; after a neo-Nazi allegedly killed Heather Heyer there, Stewart blamed “half the violence” on anti-racist counter#^&protesters. He also endorsed Paul Nehlen, an anti-#^&Semite and self-#^&described “pro-white” candidate who ran unsuccessfully for the Republican nomination for outgoing House Speaker Paul Ryan’s seat.

After Kelli Ward announced her candidacy against Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake (who has since decided not to run again), President Donald Trump tweeted, “Great to see that Dr. Kelli Ward is running against Flake Jeff Flake.” Before she was knocked out in the August primary, Ward got a reputation for hanging out with right-wing cranks and conspiracy theorists. She posted a photo of herself with Milo Yiannopoulos, met up with Pizzagate promoter Mike Cernovich, and spoke to a fringe medical group that claims abortion causes cancer.

In March, a 70-year-old neo-Nazi named Arthur Jones ran unopposed to become the Republican candidate for Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District. The state GOP distanced itself from Jones, a Holocaust denier who said he was running against the “two-party, Jew-party, queer-party system.”

Illinois Republicans also disavowed Bill Fawell, their candidate for the 17th District, in August after he was found to have posted conspiracy theories on Facebook. Fawell had claimed the Sandy Hook shooting was a “false flag” operation, that Israel was behind 9/11, and that Beyoncé and Jay-Z have links to “the godless Illuminati.”

John Fitzgerald, the Republican candidate in California’s 11th District, is running on a platform that includes promoting anti-#^&fluoridation and questioning “the official 9/11 story.” Fitzgerald, a painter, has offered a $5,000 reward to anyone who can prove the Holocaust really happened and has written blog posts like “Why Are Powerful Jews Pushing Mass Immigration and Forced Multiculturalism Throughout the U.S. and Europe?”

In North Carolina, for example, GOP officials are stuck with Russell Walker, a white supremacist running for the state House of Representatives. According to his personal website (littered with the n-word), he believes that “the jews are NOT semitic they are satanic as they all descend from Satan.”

Nelson Diaz, the county chairman of the Miami-Dade Republican Party was filmed alongside members of The Proud Boys, pounding a door at a rowdy protest against House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi as she visited a Democratic campaign headquarters in South Florida. Law enforcement found the crowd to be so threatening that officers locked down the building.

On his campaign website, Kansas gubernatorial candidate Kris Kobach cites a made-up anti-immigrant statistic by white nationalist writer Peter Gemma, who worked for a group that opposes “all efforts to mix the races of mankind.” Gemma has also been involved in the Holocaust denial movement and reportedly praised a leading Holocaust denier for “uncovering documents and evidence some historians don't like to admit.”

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if some of the leading republican politicians fit your descriptions in any way, i’d agree with you. They don’t, so you have no point.

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Do you think the leading or most or even a significant portion of Mexicans fit Trump’s description?
They no more fit that than the equivalent Republicans.
Those things exist in both groups to some extent as they do in all people.
When you tar a group with the worst behavior in that group, that is demonizing them.
Show me any analysis based on actual data that says large numbers of any population fit Trump’s claims.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Do you think the leading or most or even a significant portion of Mexicans fit Trump’s description?
They no more fit that than the equivalent Republicans.
Those things exist in both groups to some extent as they do in all people.
When you tar a group with the worst behavior in that group, that is demonizing them.
Show me any analysis based on actual data that says large numbers of any population fit Trump’s claims.

That's because he was always referring to a specific portion of any population, and the ethnicity or race was not the critical factor. But I understand why you want it always to be about the "population," not about specific people.

And because "those things exist . . . in all people," then we should point out when some of the people do those things if those things are not right.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Does this demonize all Republicans?
Republicans are running for office, they are white supremacists, neo nazis, holocaust deniers, anti Semitic and some, I assume, are good people.
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I asked you how Trump's statement demonized all Mexicans. You could not tell me how because it doesn't. You tried one of your lying slight of hand verbal tricks that somehow was supposed to be parallel to Trump's remark, but it isn't. They are not similar or like statements. You're stretching the comparison to get a desired result.

Actually, one piece of Trump's statement is enough to disprove that he was referring to all Mexicans: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best." As for the rest of it, it was obvious that he was referring to some of the illegal immigrants. But I understand why you refuse to see that.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I asked you how Trump's statement demonized all Mexicans. You could not tell me how because it doesn't. You tried one of your lying slight of hand verbal tricks that somehow was supposed to be parallel to Trump's remark, but it isn't. They are not similar or like statements. You're stretching the comparison to get a desired result.

Actually, one piece of Trump's statement is enough to disprove that he was referring to all Mexicans: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best." As for the rest of it, it was obvious that he was referring to some of the illegal immigrants. But I understand why you refuse to see that.

Unfortunately, there’s no trick.
The verbal tricks or innuendoes are consistent in Trump’s speech.
He’s very good at it.
And he has scared many people with his rhetoric.
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