Who’s confused here

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

And if his ignorance and adherence to his rhetoric results in the collapse of markets then what will he be seen as?
You’re close to correct but I think that he’s a con man and can’t find a way out of his own long con. So that would make him a fool because any con man can tell you, the exit is the difference between con and convicted.

So you didn't answer my question (no surprise) and wandered off in another direction (as usual). From there you . . . how would you put it ? . . . you went off the rail with a bunch of stupid stuff and unfounded conjecture or outright lies:

Look at his record
The stock market is down

It always goes up and down. Went it went up, he didn't do it, but when it went down, he did it . . . blah, blah, and more blah.

Trade is down

Like the stock market, trade went up, but he didn't do it. You say trade is down, so he must have done it.

He failed to repeal and replace

He gutted it instead. And McCain was the "maverick" who failed to get it repealed and replaced.

The government is partially unfunded

Pelosi and Schumer are to blame. Trump is willing to compromise (you know, that thing you think good politicians should do), but they are not. And, anyway, Congress funds the government. If the House and Senate agree, it will get fully funded. Which is a joke. The government has not been legitimately funded for a long time. It has over-borrowed on the people's credit to the point that the debt likely can't be repaid.

He lost the midterms

He did better than historically has been done at the midterms. And when he stumped for senate candidates, they won. The presidential coattail bit is overhyped anyway. Party policies and individual candidates have more to do with congressional seats than who is President.

Romney fired the first shot across his bow and he flinched, more are coming

Romney fired shots before and he didn't flinch then. And he didn't flinch this time. His response was, untypically, "presidential." It's actually amazing how much he has done and is still in office considering the daily shots he gets across his bow.

He can’t fund the wall

Is it over?

Lindsey Graham claims that if he fails at that his presidency is over
He’s tweeting 10x a day

Lindsey Graham has fired a lot worse shots across his bow. Lindsey is actually getting more in accord with Trump.

He can’t find cabinet members perhaps because he gets one and then stabs them in the back when they leave

A little contradiction there, he can't stab them in the back when they leave if he didn't find them. He'll find more. Getting them confirmed is next.

He has no knowledge of history

Sure he does. He went through our wonderful system of American education. And his published reading list includes history.

He thinks Afghanistan is what broke up the USSR

I don't know about that, and don't see that as some ignominious or important record.

The rest of the world is laughing at the crazy uncle we elected

That's not true. He has a lot of admirers and supporters in the rest of the world. There is a quiet but getting louder upheaval in the direction of European attitude and government trending toward a conservative, populist, national culture identity. And most of the people driving it like Trump.

He stole a new line “presidential harassment” lifted from Mitch McConnell, maybe he’s hoping it becomes like the #metoo movement

This is supposed to be some important point in his record? Blah, blah, blah.

But no other president has had so little skill at leading or been less willing to build a team and learn

Aw get off the talking points already. Geezsh. He has a history of building teams to complete various projects.

He has done a few things that were handed to him by others

That is false and totally stupid. In another thread you posted an article by a lady who worked for him. She credited him directly for his success and debunked the notion that his father handed him that success. He was personally responsible for putting together the team and carrying out his role and responsibility in order to get elected President of the United States. Very few have done that.

Your bias, hate, and lack of knowledge shines in your posts about Trump.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

That is false and totally stupid. In another thread you posted an article by a lady who worked for him. She credited him directly for his success and debunked the notion that his father handed him that success. He was personally responsible for putting together the team and carrying out his role and responsibility in order to get elected President of the United States. Very few have done that.

Your bias, hate, and lack of knowledge shines in your posts about Trump.

Did I have to be so obvious as to say that if his blind blundering policies succeed he won’t be seen as the fool he is, but when they fail you and he are quite quick to lay the blame on others. So I’m sure as Trump does you’ll deflect the lack of ability to presidential harassment
Time will tell
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Did I have to be so obvious as to say that if his blind blundering policies succeed he won’t be seen as the fool he is, but when they fail you and he are quite quick to lay the blame on others. So I’m sure as Trump does you’ll deflect the lack of ability to presidential harassment
Time will tell
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You were blind enough to say stupid untrue stuff rather than answering my question. And the question was connected to your quick to lay judgment that he's confused without waiting for time to tell if his tariff policy is a blunder.

If you think I'm too "quick to lay the blame on others", it should be easy to prove I'm wrong. As far as I can tell, that hasn't happened.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by detbuch

That is false and totally stupid. In another thread you posted an article by a lady who worked for him. She credited him directly for his success and debunked the notion that his father handed him that success. He was personally responsible for putting together the team and carrying out his role and responsibility in order to get elected President of the United States. Very few have done that.

Your bias, hate, and lack of knowledge shines in your posts about Trump.

I guess Pete should be happy you didn't accuse him of hating the constitution.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I guess Pete should be happy you didn't accuse him of hating the constitution.

I don't think he's happy.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

That is false and totally stupid. In another thread you posted an article by a lady who worked for him. She credited him directly for his success and debunked the notion that his father handed him that success. He was personally responsible for putting together the team and carrying out his role and responsibility in order to get elected President of the United States. Very few have done that.

Your bias, hate, and lack of knowledge shines in your posts about Trump.

That was one person and if you read the whole article You would see her thoughts on him being president.

"Anything problematic for being president of the United States?

I’ve worked for a lot of developers, and the biggest developers in the world. I don’t think any of them should be president. I don’t think that he has the experience and the knowledge of the law, the knowledge of politics to be president."

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

That was one person and if you read the whole article You would see her thoughts on him being president.

"Anything problematic for being president of the United States?

I’ve worked for a lot of developers, and the biggest developers in the world. I don’t think any of them should be president. I don’t think that he has the experience and the knowledge of the law, the knowledge of politics to be president."

I did read the whole article. And she did, for the most and main body of the article, praise Trump for his methods, including selecting teams to carry out his vision and working with them toward success. And she attributed his success to his own direction, methods, and ability to promote and carry things to completion. And she said that she would gladly work with him again.

Her small negative statement regarding his qualification for being President was solely on his lack of experience in law and politics. It was not about him supposedly being a terrible, incompetent, sexist, homophobe, etc. The experience thing was her opinion. If you agree with that, I disagree with you and her. The few qualifications listed in the Constitution don't agree with either of you. And the fruits of those kind of "qualified" politicians who have been running the federal government is proof to me that those qualifications don't necessarily lead to good government. Otherwise, we should all be satisfied with the present state of national debt, and government squabbling of how it should intrude in every aspect of our lives.

I agree more with what W. F. Buckley said: "I would rather be governed by the first 2000 people in the Boston telephone directory than by the 2000 people on the faculty of Harvard University."

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I agree more with what W. F. Buckley said: "I would rather be governed by the first 2000 people in the Boston telephone directory than by the 2000 people on the faculty of Harvard University."

So would Robespierre, Mao and Pol Pot but you can’t kill all the people with glasses here
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So would Robespierre, Mao and Pol Pot but you can’t kill all the people with glasses here
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If the first 2000 people in the Boston telephone directory had ruled France at the time of the French Revolution, things would have turned out much better for the French people. Of course, there was no Boston telephone directory at that time. But if 2000 Bostonians at that time had ruled France, that as well would have been far far far better for the French people. Even though Robespierre had more political experience.

And if those same 2000 Bostonians, either from the telephone directory, or like those during the American revolution, had ruled Cambodia instead of Pol Pot, the Cambodians would have been much much much better off.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

That is false and totally stupid. In another thread you posted an article by a lady who worked for him. She credited him directly for his success and debunked the notion that his father handed him that success. He was personally responsible for putting together the team and carrying out his role and responsibility in order to get elected President of the United States. Very few have done that.

Your bias, hate, and lack of knowledge shines in your posts about Trump.

Wow, are you seriously defending Trump on his knowledge of history, OMG that is hysterical. Go google Trump and his knowledge of history, here and abroad. If he took history in school, he must of been up all night watching TV, because he clearly wasn't paying attention.

My other issue with your commentary is that Trump is willing to compromise, I guess you were away on vacation when they had a deal up until the Fox and Friends started to rail on him and he changed his mind. We wouldn't be here if he signed the deal everyone already agreed to.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Wow, are you seriously defending Trump on his knowledge of history, OMG that is hysterical. Go google Trump and his knowledge of history, here and abroad. If he took history in school, he must of been up all night watching TV, because he clearly wasn't paying attention.

I'm not defending his knowledge. I don't know enough about it to defend or debunk. That he may be wrong about something, or disagree with someone else about something doesn't mean he has no knowledge of history. And because he may be wrong about some history is neither a shocker to me nor a disqualifier. Pete clearly and specifically said "He has no knowledge of history". I did google Trump and found a list of books he had read(which I posted in another thread) that indicated he did have some knowledge of history. And I was being sarcastic about "our wonderful system of American education." At least K-12.

My other issue with your commentary is that Trump is willing to compromise, I guess you were away on vacation when they had a deal up until the Fox and Friends started to rail on him and he changed his mind. We wouldn't be here if he signed the deal everyone already agreed to.

I recall him offering a super sweet deal regarding doubling what the Dems wanted re DACA, but they turned it down. I don't watch Fox and Friends. Nor what deal your talking about. The Dems are now saying there will be no money for the wall. Trump wants to make a deal that includes that money. So, for the present, he's the one that wants to make some compromise to get the funding.