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Old 01-03-2019, 04:55 PM   #1
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You must have gone to Wharton with Trump
We pay not China
Aha, so in this instance you want to talk about people rather than countries. In some instances, when you're in "the people, individuals, just can't do it" mode you want countries and governments to do stuff, like fix healthcare. In this instance, its not a country thing, its the people.

But that's OK, since in either instance, wittingly or unwittingly, he answered his own question. The tariff is not on the American taxpayer. It is on the product being imported from China. Obviously, the American buyer pays the price that the seller adds on. And the billions in tariff taxes are paid by the American buyers. In the meantime, the seller pays in loss of income due to less sales.

As far as the shorthand phrase "charging China" goes, tariffs are not on countries, they are on products. China is not selling itself. Ostensibly, it is not selling anything. The manufacturer is being charged a fee to sell his product here. In actuality, though, China is also "paying" in loss of any revenue it would have got through the sale of more product. It is losing some of its share in the overall balance of trade.

So, yes, Trump did answer his own question, whether he knew that he actually did or not.

All parties are "charged" when tariffs are imposed. But it may be worth it to a more static economy to protect its sellers on the world market. So loss of sales are, theoretically though perhaps not truly, better than no sales.

Or, as in this case, tariffs can be used as a counter against other tariffs, with the goal of eliminating them. If China loses enough due to the damage to its economy, then a more mutually beneficial agreement can be made.

But, of course, getting into the total weeds was not your intention. You just wanted to point out what a fool Trump is. If it all winds up in a better trade relation with China, is he a fool.
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Old 01-03-2019, 07:58 PM   #2
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But, of course, getting into the total weeds was not your intention. You just wanted to point out what a fool Trump is. If it all winds up in a better trade relation with China, is he a fool.
And if his ignorance and adherence to his rhetoric results in the collapse of markets then what will he be seen as?
You’re close to correct but I think that he’s a con man and can’t find a way out of his own long con. So that would make him a fool because any con man can tell you, the exit is the difference between con and convicted.
Look at his record
The stock market is down
Trade is down
He failed to repeal and replace
The government is partially unfunded
He lost the midterms
Romney fired the first shot across his bow and he flinched, more are coming
He can’t fund the wall
Lindsey Graham claims that if he fails at that his presidency is over
He’s tweeting 10x a day
He can’t find cabinet members perhaps because he gets one and then stabs them in the back when they leave
He has no knowledge of history
He thinks Afghanistan is what broke up the USSR
The rest of the world is laughing at the crazy uncle we elected
He stole a new line “presidential harassment” lifted from Mitch McConnell, maybe he’s hoping it becomes like the #metoo movement
But no other president has had so little skill at leading or been less willing to build a team and learn
He has done a few things that were handed to him by others
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