cop, legal immigrant, murdered by illegal immigrant in xmas day

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"The majority of immigrants settling in the U.S. without authorization are first coming to the country legally,

how is the wall going to fix that?"

So unless the wall can fix every aspect of immigration, as well as cure cancer, it's not worth building?

People still escape from prison despite the existence of prison guards, so should we do away with prison guards (see what I did there? I used your "logic").

No ne said the wall was perfect, and that it would reduce illegal immigration to zero. What people are saying (thoughtful, sane people that is),is that it will help. I keep seeing that between 1,000 and 3,000 people a day cross the border. Some of them will have the ability to bypass a wall. Some will not. The wall will help. It won't reduce the number of people crossing illegally to zero, but it will reduce it from where it is today.

It's obvious common sense. You really disagree with that?

There is no wall. There won’t be a wall. Read the news
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

There is no wall. There won’t be a wall. Read the news
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I never said there would be. I said if there was a wall, it would reduce, but not eliminate, illegal immigration. And I said that just because an idea isn't perfect and doesn't solve every problem in the world and make us all immortal, doesn't mean it's not a good idea.

When courts legalize gay marriage, it didn't solve all problems that gays face. I still think it was the right thing to do.

The liberal arguments here, are laughably absurd. Read them, and think honestly about them for a minute. Because the wall won't reduce illegal immigration to zero, that means its not a good idea? we have laws against murder, but people still get murdered. So should we do away with those laws?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

When courts legalize gay marriage, it didn't solve all problems that gays face. I still think it was the right thing to do.

The only problems gays face are dealing with #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s who refuse to accept them.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The only problems gays face are dealing with #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s who refuse to accept them.
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My point was, no idea is perfect or flawless or impossible to weasel around. So you can't shoot down the wall, by saying that some people will be able to go over or under it.

You shut your doors at night? If so, why? A master thief can still get in if he really wants to, right? Shutting your door doesn't guarantee that an intruder won't get in. But you do it anyway, and you'd be stupid not to do it.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

My point was, no idea is perfect or flawless or impossible to weasel around. So you can't shoot down the wall, by saying that some people will be able to go over or under it.

You shut your doors at night? If so, why? A master thief can still get in if he really wants to, right? Shutting your door doesn't guarantee that an intruder won't get in. But you do it anyway, and you'd be stupid not to do it.

I don’t live my life in fear. You should consider that path. Happiness and love sets you free.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I don’t live my life in fear. You should consider that path. Happiness and love sets you free.
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Do you shut your door and at night, yes or no?

Love it when you ask the simplest question in the world, and get a dodge for an answer...

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I don’t live my life in fear. You should consider that path. Happiness and love sets you free.
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The 60's called, they want their domestic policy back.
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

The 60's called, they want their domestic policy back.
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🙃
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The liberal arguments here, are laughably absurd. Read them, and think honestly about them for a minute. Because the wall won't reduce illegal immigration to zero, that means its not a good idea? we have laws against murder, but people still get murdered. So should we do away with those laws?

I’ve never heard anyone try any make this argument.

Even the govt’s own study last year concluded we didn’t need a wall. It’s a campaign stunt not immigration policy.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I’ve never heard anyone try any make this argument.

Even the govt’s own study last year concluded we didn’t need a wall. It’s a campaign stunt not immigration policy.
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"I’ve never heard anyone try any make this argument."

Everyone is making that argument, saying that people can circumvent the wall by going under or over. Using that logic, we should all leave our doors wide open at night, because some burglars know how to bypass deadbolts.

yOu used a different argument, that "so many" police chiefs support it. But you provided zero evidence to support that made up, self serving statement.

The wall is a campaign stunt? I'd bet my life, in return for 50 cents on your end, that you didn't say that when Schumer and Bernie supported a wall. Was it merely a campaign stunt then?

Spence, do you have ANY principles. other than agree with what liberals are saying at the moment? Is that literally the only thing that guides you?

I don't know that we "need" a wall. But it would help reduce illegal immigration.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"I’ve never heard anyone try any make this argument."

Everyone is making that argument, saying that people can circumvent the wall by going under or over. Using that logic, we should all leave our doors wide open at night, because some burglars know how to bypass deadbolts.

yOu used a different argument, that "so many" police chiefs support it. But you provided zero evidence to support that made up, self serving statement.

The wall is a campaign stunt? I'd bet my life, in return for 50 cents on your end, that you didn't say that when Schumer and Bernie supported a wall. Was it merely a campaign stunt then?

Spence, do you have ANY principles. other than agree with what liberals are saying at the moment? Is that literally the only thing that guides you?

I don't know that we "need" a wall. But it would help reduce illegal immigration.

Since when were Schumer and Sanders big wall proponents?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Since when were Schumer and Sanders big wall proponents?
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Secure Fence Act of 2006. unless you’re one of those who say a fence and a wall aren’t the same thing.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Secure Fence Act of 2006. unless you’re one of those who say a fence and a wall aren’t the same thing.
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I’m giggling
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Secure Fence Act of 2006. unless you’re one of those who say a fence and a wall aren’t the same thing.
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Aug 25, 2015 07:39:01 AM Jeb Bush just talked about my border proposal to build a "fence." It's not a fence, Jeb, it's a WALL, and there's a BIG difference!
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