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12-30-2018, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
there is one issue, one. is it good policy to let illegals stay, after they continue to commit crimes here? that’s the only question.
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12-30-2018, 04:21 PM
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No
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but somehow, there are people who disagree. it’s our inability to agree on things this obvious, which makes me sad that i don’t know what unites us anymore.
people are passing laws
forbidding local cops
with alerting ICE to illegals
who commit crime. Do we have a supremacy clause or
not? what does it mean, why was it written?
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12-30-2018, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
people are passing laws
forbidding local cops
with alerting ICE to illegals
who commit crime.
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Well, this isn’t really true. Even in CA which has the broadest sanctuary law anywhere there are like 800 crimes that are exempt. The point is to not focus on the petty stuff in exchange for better cooperation with the local PD and make a safer environment for everyone.
If an illegal is caught committing a violent crime, running drugs, a serious threat to safety etc... there’s nothing stopping local PD from working with ICE.
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12-30-2018, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Well, this isn’t really true. Even in CA which has the broadest sanctuary law anywhere there are like 800 crimes that are exempt. The point is to not focus on the petty stuff in exchange for better cooperation with the local PD and make a safer environment for everyone.
If an illegal is caught committing a violent crime, running drugs, a serious threat to safety etc... there’s nothing stopping local PD from working with ICE.
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So local police should overlook reporting an illegal if the illegal is committing a petty crime. Illegals should only be reported to ICE if they commit violent crimes. And if illegals commit no crimes, they also should not be reported to ICE.
I can see why the Dems want to eliminate ICE. The local police would incarcerate the illegals who commit violent crimes. The rest are not worth deporting just because they are illegal. If they're not committing violent crimes they have the perfect right to be here.
Not only is ICE irrelevant by that reasoning, immigration laws are also useless and unnecessary. What's all the fuss about reforming immigration laws? Just scrap them. Who needs a wall when their is no reason to keep people out. If they're violent, the local police will take care of it. |
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12-30-2018, 08:07 PM
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So local police should overlook reporting an illegal if the illegal is committing a petty crime. Illegals should only be reported to ICE if they commit violent crimes. And if illegals commit no crimes, they also should not be reported to ICE.
I can see why the Dems want to eliminate ICE. The local police would incarcerate the illegals who commit violent crimes. The rest are not worth deporting just because they are illegal. If they're not committing violent crimes they have the perfect right to be here.
Not only is ICE irrelevant by that reasoning, immigration laws are also useless and unnecessary. What's all the fuss about reforming immigration laws? Just scrap them. Who needs a wall when their is no reason to keep people out. If they're violent, the local police will take care of it.
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Immigration law is federal jurisdiction, I think the local police can determine what works best in their municipalities. If you have an undocumented person working and paying taxes, hell maybe they even have a few kids that are US citizens, deporting them and breaking up the family because they got a speeding ticket isn’t going to benefit the community, even worse if they can be a witness to a crime they’re afraid to report for fear of deportation.
Need comprehensive reform.
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12-31-2018, 10:05 AM
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If you have an undocumented person working and paying taxes, hell maybe they even have a few kids that are US citizens, deporting them and breaking up the family because they got a speeding ticket isn’t going to benefit the community, Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
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Let me tell you, when you have to distort the facts to this degree to avoid making your position look stupid, maybe it's time to re-think your position. You make it sound like this guy was Ward Cleaver who happened to get caught going 56mph in a 55mph zone by a racist cop.
Spence, for the FOURTH TIME NOW, would you oppose a law which said illegals get deported if they have multiple DUIs?
We probably agree that illegals who commit violent felonies get deported. And I presume we agree that illegals (especially the fictional one you described here, who is working to support a family) who gets caught speeding, I'm OK with not automatically deporting these people.
This guy was not even close to what you described, which makes me curious why you went to a hypothetical that bears zero resemblance to what we are discussing here. I mean, I know exactly why you did it, but I wonder why you'd say you did it? |
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12-30-2018, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Well, this isn’t really true. Even in CA which has the broadest sanctuary law anywhere there are like 800 crimes that are exempt. The point is to not focus on the petty stuff in exchange for better cooperation with the local PD and make a safer environment for everyone.
If an illegal is caught committing a violent crime, running drugs, a serious threat to safety etc... there’s nothing stopping local PD from working with ICE.
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Astounding!
DUI is not a serious threat to safety? People die every day from drunk drivers. What makes you think this way? Petty?
You obviously don’t get it
If law enforcement is not going to enforce law, why should we follow the laws? You and the rest of them are deplorable.
I should not have to go through life worried about some illegal alien criminal driving into me or worse because some liberal politicians decided it would be too much of an inconvenience for local PD to make a phone call. WTF planet do you live in?
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The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those rights are inherent within you. Rather it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely.
1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!
It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
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12-30-2018, 08:21 PM
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Astounding!
DUI is not a serious threat to safety? People die every day from drunk drivers. What makes you think this way? Petty?
You obviously don’t get it
If law enforcement is not going to enforce law, why should we follow the laws? You and the rest of them are deplorable.
I should not have to go through life worried about some illegal alien criminal driving into me or worse because some liberal politicians decided it would be too much of an inconvenience for local PD to make a phone call. WTF planet do you live in?
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DUI is still a misdemeanor in most cases, how many members of Congress have got them or even President? Doesn’t mean it’s not serious but please...
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12-30-2018, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
DUI is still a misdemeanor in most cases, how many members of Congress have got them or even President? Doesn’t mean it’s not serious but please...
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if there is one, it is one too many
this response is beyond deplorable
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The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those rights are inherent within you. Rather it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely.
1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!
It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
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12-30-2018, 10:00 PM
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Jim, he thinks is just a misdemeanor so thru the revolving door to the streets they go just like a regular American, no big deal.
The actual answer is there is NO justification NONE, he has no answer and neither does Pete
This is why we ended up with Trump
People are fed up
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The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those rights are inherent within you. Rather it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely.
1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!
It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
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12-30-2018, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Well, this isn’t really true. Even in CA which has the broadest sanctuary law anywhere there are like 800 crimes that are exempt. The point is to not focus on the petty stuff in exchange for better cooperation with the local PD and make a safer environment for everyone.
If an illegal is caught committing a violent crime, running drugs, a serious threat to safety etc... there’s nothing stopping local PD from working with ICE.
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but CA law prohibited cops from telling ICE about his two DUIs. why is that good policy? that’s the only issue here, i’m asking for the third time why it’s a good idea. what will it take for you to answer that question, as i asked it?
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12-31-2018, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
but CA law prohibited cops from telling ICE about his two DUIs. why is that good policy? that’s the only issue here, i’m asking for the third time why it’s a good idea. what will it take for you to answer that question, as i asked it?
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We know he was arrested twice for DUI but I don’t know if he was ever convicted. If the DUIs didn’t have aggravating factors I’m not sure that just because he’s illegal makes much of a difference. If he got a third he could have faced harsher charges that didn’t have any protection.
You have to draw a line somewhere. DUI is probably on the upper end.
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12-31-2018, 03:59 PM
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You have to draw a line somewhere. DUI is probably on the upper end.
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Upper end of what you'd be OK forgiving? Multiple DUIs? |
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12-31-2018, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
We know he was arrested twice for DUI but I don’t know if he was ever convicted. If the DUIs didn’t have aggravating factors I’m not sure that just because he’s illegal makes much of a difference. If he got a third he could have faced harsher charges that didn’t have any protection.
Yay, you said "illegal",  but, then, of course, you question if being illegal makes any difference. The premise being . . . oh, I dunno . . . that he actually has the right to be here?
You have to draw a line somewhere. DUI is probably on the upper end.
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01-01-2019, 02:04 PM
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How about being illegal is the line?
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Well then you’d just be back to the situation sanctuary laws were employed for in the first place.
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