more nothing burgers

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.a91be058f3cb

A good read on the subject. Summary = the stimulus worked.

shocker that you came to that conclusion. i mean, we are stunned.

the EU concessions that you dismissed as nothing? well. i still don’t claim to understand it, but the stick market reacted favorably to it. so the people living where the tires meet the road, thought it was beneficial.

can your psyche accept that?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

shocker that you came to that conclusion. i mean, we are stunned.

the EU concessions that you dismissed as nothing? well. i still don’t claim to understand it, but the stick market reacted favorably to it. so the people living where the tires meet the road, thought it was beneficial.

can your psyche accept that?
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please show me theses EU concessions .. of which you speak if you can ....


PDF
European Commission - Statement
Joint U.S.-EU Statement following President Juncker's visit to the White House
Washington, 25 July 2018

We met today in Washington, D.C. to launch a new phase in the relationship between the United States and the European Union – a phase of close friendship, of strong trade relations in which both of us will win, of working better together for global security and prosperity, and of fighting jointly against terrorism.

The United States and the European Union together count more than 830 million citizens and more than 50 percent of global GDP. If we team up, we can make our planet a better, more secure, and more prosperous place.

Already today, the United States and the European Union have a $1 trillion bilateral trade relationship – the largest economic relationship in the world. We want to further strengthen this trade relationship to the benefit of all American and European citizens.

This is why we agreed today, first of all, to work together toward zero tariffs, zero non-tariff barriers, and zero subsidies on non-auto industrial goods. We will also work to reduce barriers and increase trade in services, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, medical products, as well as soybeans. EU already imports the majority of soybeans from the us

This will open markets for farmers and workers, increase investment, and lead to greater prosperity in both the United States and the European Union. It will also make trade fairer and more reciprocal.

Secondly, we agreed today to strengthen our strategic cooperation with respect to energy. The European Union wants to import more liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the United States to diversify its energy supply.

Thirdly, we agreed today to launch a close dialogue on standards in order to ease trade, reduce bureaucratic obstacles, and slash costs.

Fourthly, we agreed today to join forces to protect American and European companies better from unfair global trade practices. We will therefore work closely together with like-minded partners to reform the WTO and to address unfair trading practices, including intellectual property theft, forced technology transfer, industrial subsidies, distortions created by state owned enterprises, and overcapacity.

We decided to set up immediately an Executive Working Group of our closest advisors to carry this joint agenda forward. In addition, it will identify short-term measures to facilitate commercial exchanges and assess existing tariff measures. While we are working on this, we will not go against the spirit of this agreement, unless either party terminates the negotiations.

We also want to resolve the steel and aluminum tariff issues and retaliatory tariffs.



Soybean prices plunge to a 10-year low i understand seeing this from a making money point of view how ever if the US economy is booming under the current system ? what Are his Trade tariffs expected to do ?? endless Growth is not sustainable ... above is the EU press release nothing no details just more negotiation than Trump claims it as a win Trump is doing what he did in his Business He is playing with other peoples money he is exposed to no risk

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

please show me theses EU concessions .. of which you speak if you can ....


PDF
European Commission - Statement
Joint U.S.-EU Statement following President Juncker's visit to the White House
Washington, 25 July 2018

We met today in Washington, D.C. to launch a new phase in the relationship between the United States and the European Union – a phase of close friendship, of strong trade relations in which both of us will win, of working better together for global security and prosperity, and of fighting jointly against terrorism.

The United States and the European Union together count more than 830 million citizens and more than 50 percent of global GDP. If we team up, we can make our planet a better, more secure, and more prosperous place.

Already today, the United States and the European Union have a $1 trillion bilateral trade relationship – the largest economic relationship in the world. We want to further strengthen this trade relationship to the benefit of all American and European citizens.

This is why we agreed today, first of all, to work together toward zero tariffs, zero non-tariff barriers, and zero subsidies on non-auto industrial goods. We will also work to reduce barriers and increase trade in services, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, medical products, as well as soybeans. EU already imports the majority of soybeans from the us

This will open markets for farmers and workers, increase investment, and lead to greater prosperity in both the United States and the European Union. It will also make trade fairer and more reciprocal.

Secondly, we agreed today to strengthen our strategic cooperation with respect to energy. The European Union wants to import more liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the United States to diversify its energy supply.

Thirdly, we agreed today to launch a close dialogue on standards in order to ease trade, reduce bureaucratic obstacles, and slash costs.

Fourthly, we agreed today to join forces to protect American and European companies better from unfair global trade practices. We will therefore work closely together with like-minded partners to reform the WTO and to address unfair trading practices, including intellectual property theft, forced technology transfer, industrial subsidies, distortions created by state owned enterprises, and overcapacity.

We decided to set up immediately an Executive Working Group of our closest advisors to carry this joint agenda forward. In addition, it will identify short-term measures to facilitate commercial exchanges and assess existing tariff measures. While we are working on this, we will not go against the spirit of this agreement, unless either party terminates the negotiations.

We also want to resolve the steel and aluminum tariff issues and retaliatory tariffs.



Soybean prices plunge to a 10-year low i understand seeing this from a making money point of view how ever if the US economy is booming under the current system ? what Are his Trade tariffs expected to do ?? endless Growth is not sustainable ... above is the EU press release nothing no details just more negotiation than Trump claims it as a win Trump is doing what he did in his Business He is playing with other peoples money he is exposed to no risk

My opinion is that Trump's tariffs were a negotiation ploy, not an economic strategy. Without that ploy, getting others to meaningfully come to the table would be an exercise in futility. These negotiations are a first, meaningful, step, not an end product. All the first, tentative, agreements can lead to the end product, but not if there is no motive on one side to get there.

Negotiating, meaningfully, by all sides toward zero tariffs can get there if the alternative is tariff war. The U.S. complacently allowing others to impose tariffs without retaliating gives us no leverage.

A first, small step, showing good faith I presume, the EU will import MORE soybeans from us and create stations to import natural gas from us (not a good thing for Russia). Everything else mentioned can now be seriously discussed and agreed to. I didn't see any mechanism being developed to resolve these issue before, except to bitch and whine about it.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

please show me theses EU concessions .. of which you speak if you can ....


PDF
European Commission - Statement
Joint U.S.-EU Statement following President Juncker's visit to the White House
Washington, 25 July 2018

We met today in Washington, D.C. to launch a new phase in the relationship between the United States and the European Union – a phase of close friendship, of strong trade relations in which both of us will win, of working better together for global security and prosperity, and of fighting jointly against terrorism.

The United States and the European Union together count more than 830 million citizens and more than 50 percent of global GDP. If we team up, we can make our planet a better, more secure, and more prosperous place.

Already today, the United States and the European Union have a $1 trillion bilateral trade relationship – the largest economic relationship in the world. We want to further strengthen this trade relationship to the benefit of all American and European citizens.

This is why we agreed today, first of all, to work together toward zero tariffs, zero non-tariff barriers, and zero subsidies on non-auto industrial goods. We will also work to reduce barriers and increase trade in services, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, medical products, as well as soybeans. EU already imports the majority of soybeans from the us

This will open markets for farmers and workers, increase investment, and lead to greater prosperity in both the United States and the European Union. It will also make trade fairer and more reciprocal.

Secondly, we agreed today to strengthen our strategic cooperation with respect to energy. The European Union wants to import more liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the United States to diversify its energy supply.

Thirdly, we agreed today to launch a close dialogue on standards in order to ease trade, reduce bureaucratic obstacles, and slash costs.

Fourthly, we agreed today to join forces to protect American and European companies better from unfair global trade practices. We will therefore work closely together with like-minded partners to reform the WTO and to address unfair trading practices, including intellectual property theft, forced technology transfer, industrial subsidies, distortions created by state owned enterprises, and overcapacity.

We decided to set up immediately an Executive Working Group of our closest advisors to carry this joint agenda forward. In addition, it will identify short-term measures to facilitate commercial exchanges and assess existing tariff measures. While we are working on this, we will not go against the spirit of this agreement, unless either party terminates the negotiations.

We also want to resolve the steel and aluminum tariff issues and retaliatory tariffs.



Soybean prices plunge to a 10-year low i understand seeing this from a making money point of view how ever if the US economy is booming under the current system ? what Are his Trade tariffs expected to do ?? endless Growth is not sustainable ... above is the EU press release nothing no details just more negotiation than Trump claims it as a win Trump is doing what he did in his Business He is playing with other peoples money he is exposed to no risk

What you posted, says that we will work together toward goals like zero tariffs. Perhaps (I don't know) that helps u sore than it helps them. I watched CNN last night, and on CNN (not known to lie in favor of Trump), their business guy said the market went up yesterday because of favorable reaction to what they discussed. So the markets, who know more about this than either one of us, responded favorably. I can accept that for what it is. You cannot, and must find another explanation.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

What you posted, says that we will work together toward goals like zero tariffs. Perhaps (I don't know) that helps u sore than it helps them. I watched CNN last night, and on CNN (not known to lie in favor of Trump), their business guy said the market went up yesterday because of favorable reaction to what they discussed. So the markets, who know more about this than either one of us, responded favorably. I can accept that for what it is. You cannot, and must find another explanation.

the EU concessions that you dismissed as nothing?

But thats not what you said.. you said they made concessions to Trump please don't move the goal posts .. the market is happy because the agreed to keep talking and it didnt get worse .... not because of any details... or things got better ... this is the part you avoid like the plague ... nothing has fundamentally has changed.. if it has were are the agreements with numbers and amounts and time lines for implementation if i had that info I could have a different view but I do not ...

Trump took an old dull penny and gave you a shiny penny ..... and some how you think its not the same penny .... thats the genius of Trump ....