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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Wages have actually dropped since the tax cut was passed"

There are articles saying June 2018 was a big month for wage gain. I guess it depends on the agenda of the person answering the question. How does low unemployment, fail to help wages?
Here is the data on wage Gains, they are insignificant
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0..._view=net_1mth

"Nearly all the tax cut benefits have gone to large shareholders"

The wealthy will ALWAYS disproportionately benefit when the economy improves. That cannot fail to happen. When the stock market soared during the Obama years, did that not benefit the wealthy more than the poor? Yet all fair people gave Obama credit, right? You have fun trying to explain the difference. Why was it terrific when income inequality increased during the Obama years, but as soon as Trump took the oath, income inequality is evil.
Without the But....
The taxbreak that let you buy your camper will evaporate in a few years, leaving you with payments. If you were in a higher tax bracket it would not. Meanwhile the Deficit grows by the day

"The corporate response to the trade war is overwhelmingly negative"

That's true, and he is taking heat for that.

I see you made zero mention of unemployment. Hmmm, I wonder why?
Nor did you mention tariffs and how they will affect the great tax cut you received def. a tax or duty to be paid on a particular class of imports or exports.

You cannot win this one Spence, you can only expose the degree of your partisan bias.

"It seems like all of Trump's policy is so off the cuff nothing is thought out"

He beat (not by a close margin, either) the most inevitable candidate ever. The economy is soaring. Jihadists are on the run. And he nominated (from the perspective of most of his supporters) two spectacular Supreme Court picks.

He shoots from the hip without thinking, FAR too often. But he doesn't do it all the time. Again, you focus on the bad, and ignore the good (or try to make it seem like the good, isn't really all that good).

You did the exact opposite from 2009 - 2016. The exact opposite.

"This isn't a way to run a government"

His personal behavior is repugnant. As far as policy goes, I like most of what he's done, certainly not all. Unfortunately, character wasn't on the ballot in 2016. It was on the GOP ballot in 2008 and 2012, but the liberals and the media didn't respect it. They demonized it. So we nominated someone who, if he's effected at all by watching his opponents go berserk, it makes him ecstatic.

When you side decides to play fair, maybe the GOP will again nominate a person of character. As long as your side chooses to fight dirty, don't be shocked when we nominate someone who can handle it.

His method isn't hard to emulate:
Now my opponent, I have a nickname for him, I really shouldn't say this but, no I shouldn't say it. OK, I call him Big Baby Donny Bonespurs. I know it's not nice to make fun of someones aliments, but his seem to miraculously disappeared after the Vietnam War.
He told you he would solve all your healthcare issues, you would have the greatest healthcare ever, the best. What do you have, the highest healthcare costs in the world along with the highest pharmaceutical costs in the world, he's certainly made that the greatest, hasn't he? And how much more does your insurance cost now? Your kid has a congenital defect, well sorry you cant get insurance, should have thought of that before you had it.
Let's look at the National debt, When Baby Donny took over it was 4 Trillion less than it is now, but I thought he said he was going to cut it more than anyone else could. Just another Baby lie, I guess
Now let's look at infrastructure, Baby Donny knows how to build things, he can get things done for less, but so far he has produced nothing at all.
I really shouldn't talk about his morals, well actually i cant because he doesn't have any.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

His method isn't hard to emulate:
Now my opponent, I have a nickname for him, I really shouldn't say this but, no I shouldn't say it. OK, I call him Big Baby Donny Bonespurs. I know it's not nice to make fun of someones aliments, but his seem to miraculously disappeared after the Vietnam War.
He told you he would solve all your healthcare issues, you would have the greatest healthcare ever, the best. What do you have, the highest healthcare costs in the world along with the highest pharmaceutical costs in the world, he's certainly made that the greatest, hasn't he? And how much more does your insurance cost now? Your kid has a congenital defect, well sorry you cant get insurance, should have thought of that before you had it.
Let's look at the National debt, When Baby Donny took over it was 4 Trillion less than it is now, but I thought he said he was going to cut it more than anyone else could. Just another Baby lie, I guess
Now let's look at infrastructure, Baby Donny knows how to build things, he can get things done for less, but so far he has produced nothing at all.
I really shouldn't talk about his morals, well actually i cant because he doesn't have any.

"The taxbreak that let you buy your camper will evaporate in a few years"

Says who?

I'll be making more then...we did think it through.

"Meanwhile the Deficit grows by the day"

Funny how people's concern for the deficit depends ENTIRELY on the party of the sitting POTUS. If you liked Obama's policies, you can't be a deficit hawk now. You just can't.

"Nor did you mention tariffs "

The hell I didn't. Trump is getting a lot of heat (fairly) for them. So now that I addressed that, can you admit that low unemployment is great, or not?

"He told you he would solve all your healthcare issues, you would have the greatest healthcare ever, the best"

He deserves criticism for failing to deliver, just as Obama deserves criticism for being cosmically wrong about lowering costs by $2500 a year, and being able to keep your doctor. Trump and the GOP blew healthcare, they just blew it. And many conservatives were furious about it.

If he fails to get an infrastructure plan through (as Obama failed) he deserves heat for that.

You don't have to convince me that Trump has serious flaws. I concede that. You are the ones that can't concede the good that he has done.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"The taxbreak that let you buy your camper will evaporate in a few years"

Says who?

I'll be making more then...we did think it through.

"Meanwhile the Deficit grows by the day"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-09/trump-promised-to-eliminate-national-debt-in-eight-years-good-luck-with-that

Funny how people's concern for the deficit depends ENTIRELY on the party of the sitting POTUS. If you liked Obama's policies, you can't be a deficit hawk now. You just can't.
Your theory then, is that with a failing economy you Obama should have decreased the deficit?

"Nor did you mention tariffs "

The hell I didn't. Trump is getting a lot of heat (fairly) for them. So now that I addressed that, can you admit that low unemployment is great, or not?

"He told you he would solve all your healthcare issues, you would have the greatest healthcare ever, the best"

He deserves criticism for failing to deliver, just as Obama deserves criticism for being cosmically wrong about lowering costs by $2500 a year, and being able to keep your doctor. Trump and the GOP blew healthcare, they just blew it. And many conservatives were furious about it.

If he fails to get an infrastructure plan through (as Obama failed) he deserves heat for that.

You don't have to convince me that Trump has serious flaws. I concede that. You are the ones that can't concede the good that he has done.

I don't feel the need to concede anything, as far as praising Baby Donny he does plenty of that himself
But like most of what he says it is not quite true.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...onomic-growth/

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I don't feel the need to concede anything, as far as praising Baby Donny he does plenty of that himself
But like most of what he says it is not quite true.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...onomic-growth/

"Your theory then, is that with a failing economy you Obama should have decreased the deficit?"

no. My theory is that if liberals weren't worried when Obama increased the debt, they shouldn't be concerned that Trump is increasing the debt. Is that going too fast for you?

" don't feel the need to concede anything,"

So you point out all the bad stuff he does, but can't accept the good things he does. That's the very definition of bias.

You can't concede that lower unemployment is a good thing. But I bet you had no trouble admitting it was good, when Obama was POTUS.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Your theory then, is that with a failing economy you Obama should have decreased the deficit?"

no. My theory is that if liberals weren't worried when Obama increased the debt, they shouldn't be concerned that Trump is increasing the debt. Is that going too fast for you?

" don't feel the need to concede anything,"

So you point out all the bad stuff he does, but can't accept the good things he does. That's the very definition of bias.

You can't concede that lower unemployment is a good thing. But I bet you had no trouble admitting it was good, when Obama was POTUS.

You assume that because i don't find Trump qualified or competent that i voted for Obama, you are incorrect.
Believe it or not, I and some other republicans will not have the wool pulled over our eyes by a con man who claims many things and produces few.
In one election cycle deficits have gone from bad to good in your view, your children and mine will not thank us for that.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You assume that because i don't find Trump qualified or competent that i voted for Obama, you are incorrect.
Believe it or not, I and some other republicans will not have the wool pulled over our eyes by a con man who claims many things and produces few.
In one election cycle deficits have gone from bad to good in your view, your children and mine will not thank us for that.

"You assume that because i don't find Trump qualified or competent that i voted for Obama"

Never said a word about how you voted, not a word.

"I and some other republicans will not have the wool pulled over our eyes by a con man who claims many things and produces few. "

me either. I can accurately point out the good and the bad. You can't, by your own admission (you refused to concede that low unemployment is good, and you admitted that your refusal was based on a desire to not say anything complimentary of Trump) accept the good.

"In one election cycle deficits have gone from bad to good in your view"

Who said that? Obama added more to the deficit than Trump did, and he didn't put any money in my pocket by doing so. Trump is generating deficits, but at least helping almost everyone along the way.

You're a Republican? Right.....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I really shouldn't talk about his morals, well actually i cant because he doesn't have any.

http://jewishstandard.timesofisrael....ear-olds-life/

Just like Hitler would have done...helped save a little Jewish boy.