Trump to meet with Putin

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Thanks John, nice response to a misguided attack.
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I was trying to point out that I wasn't trying to attack him personally, but clearly didn't come across that way. I just think he is wrong when he says Obama sucks. Obama may not have done everything right, but his reasons for handling the Russia thing the way he did were best intentions. I also don't think John is supporting trump in this so no need for him to go to Guantanamo . Spring a guy who favors a Russian president with Soviet era behavior over the u.s. intelligence agencies is treasonous. If Obama or Hillary did this, there would be right wingers taking up arms in the street.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I just think he is wrong when he says Obama sucks. Obama may not have done everything right, but his reasons for handling the Russia thing the way he did were best intentions.

Most presidential rankings I've seen put Obama in the low teens, some even top ten.

Trump right now is in Harding territory.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I was trying to point out that I wasn't trying to attack him personally, but clearly didn't come across that way. I just think he is wrong when he says Obama sucks. Obama may not have done everything right, but his reasons for handling the Russia thing the way he did were best intentions. I also don't think John is supporting trump in this so no need for him to go to Guantanamo . Spring a guy who favors a Russian president with Soviet era behavior over the u.s. intelligence agencies is treasonous. If Obama or Hillary did this, there would be right wingers taking up arms in the street.
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You mean like Bernie?

PS - I was not feeling so much a victim of attack. I do think Obama is not in the top 20, let alone Besty Evahhh. I gave my reasoning for this.

[JohnR]

PS - calling this Treason and Impeachable and a modern day Pearl Harbor or 9/11 with a dash of Handmaiden's Tale is no different than many on the right calling for O to be impeached. A high bar must be met and it has not been.

If the IC or Mueller determines that Trump IS under Putin's thumb - AND CAN PROVE IT - than we have something we need to follow.

I've stated before I do not like how T gets all meek around VVP and this is one of my biggest concerns.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

PS - calling this Treason and Impeachable and a modern day Pearl Harbor or 9/11 with a dash of Handmaiden's Tale is no different than many on the right calling for O to be impeached. A high bar must be met and it has not been.

Doesn't meet the standard for Treason but he certainly could pass the bar for impeachment. Indictments have been handed out and Trump is impeding prosecution of the law against his oath to defend the Constution. Clinton was impeached for far, far less.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

PS - calling this Treason and Impeachable and a modern day Pearl Harbor or 9/11 with a dash of Handmaiden's Tale is no different than many on the right calling for O to be impeached. A high bar must be met and it has not been.

If the IC or Mueller determines that Trump IS under Putin's thumb - AND CAN PROVE IT - than we have something we need to follow.

I've stated before I do not like how T gets all meek around VVP and this is one of my biggest concerns.

It is a betrayal of the country. It gives aid and comfort to an enemy. It puts a foreign entity above the country. True, it is not to an enforceable standard. 9/11 was an outside entity attacking us and the country was united against it. This is the most powerful person in the world, with support of 30-40 percent of the country, aligning with a modern dictator over crimes against our democracy. It will be a full chapter in the history books in twenty years.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Doesn't meet the standard for Treason but he certainly could pass the bar for impeachment. Indictments have been handed out and Trump is impeding prosecution of the law against his oath to defend the Constution. Clinton was impeached for far, far less.

No

Originally Posted by zimmy

It is a betrayal of the country. It gives aid and comfort to an enemy. It puts a foreign entity above the country. True, it is not to an enforceable standard. 9/11 was an outside entity attacking us and the country was united against it. This is the most powerful person in the world, with support of 30-40 percent of the country, aligning with a modern dictator over crimes against our democracy. It will be a full chapter in the history books in twenty years.
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And, no.


Actually you are correct, the people that write the history books
tend to be pretty left leaning.

We need real, irrefutable evidence of RUS smothering DJT. The bar must be high

[JohnR]

PS

Most things you see now be VERY suspicious of - NOW is the time that both sides will be hammered by RUS meme engines and bots.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

PS

Most things you see now be VERY suspicious of - NOW is the time that both sides will be hammered by RUS meme engines and bots.

Do you think Mueller's team is being hypnotized by memes?

What's known already is pretty damning. Two credible threads of collusion (one proven) and it's looking like three separate lines of meddling with the social media campaign, DNC hack and now the NRA money scheme.

It's like the house is burning down and some are wondering if they smell smoke.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

No




And, no.


Actually you are correct, the people that write the history books
tend to be pretty left leaning.

We need real, irrefutable evidence of RUS smothering DJT. The bar must be high

Pretty sure it is coming. Once we get the dirt from Flynn and Cohen, it will be crystal clear.
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