Trump calls press enemy of the people

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

Remember what the "experts" in the news told us...............
and now they are crying about being called fake news?
The press may or may not be the enemy.... but they are wrong a lot.

https://youtu.be/G87UXIH8Lzo?t=156

putting money on a losing horse (making a predication) is Hardly the same as the press being accused of willfully Lying on AKA Fake news

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

putting money on a losing horse (making a predication) is Hardly the same as the press being accused of willfully Lying on AKA Fake news

It's not so much willful lying, it's more of a willful decision to ignore the good and focus (and exaggerate to a ridiculous degree) the bad.

If you watch MSNBC or CNN, you'd think he unilaterally declared the constitution null and void.

How much time are the networks dedicating to how healthy the economy is right now? How much air time would this economy have received, if Hilary was POTUS?

When covering the separation of families at the border, how much time was spent covering the fact that families were also separated via immigration law, when Obama was POTUS? They clearly wanted their viewers to think Trump invented this.

Saw you have a sea hunt 232, those are so awesome. Looked seriously at a 22 once, loved it.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

How much time are the networks dedicating to how healthy the economy is right now? How much air time would this economy have received, if Hilary was POTUS?

There are several dedicated financial networks that cover the economy. I see mainstream outlets update on the numbers good or bad all the time.

When covering the separation of families at the border, how much time was spent covering the fact that families were also separated via immigration law, when Obama was POTUS? They clearly wanted their viewers to think Trump invented this.

I've seen plenty of reporting about Obama era policy, mostly to draw the differences. The debacle we're seeing today is absolutely a Trump invention and it's only getting worse.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

There are several dedicated financial networks that cover the economy. I see mainstream outlets update on the numbers good or bad all the time.


I've seen plenty of reporting about Obama era policy, mostly to draw the differences. The debacle we're seeing today is absolutely a Trump invention and it's only getting worse.

"I see mainstream outlets update on the numbers good or bad all the time."

So if a CNN host is comparing Trump to Hitler (except more of a racist and a sexist), then as long as there is a ticker going across the bottom of the screen, that's balanced. Got it.

"it's only getting worse"

For your side, I agree. Prepare yourself for the likelihood Monday, that when he announces his SCOTUS nominee, it won't be Merrick Garland or Harry Belafante or Pol Pot, or anyone else you'd have on your list.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by wdmso

putting money on a losing horse (making a predication) is Hardly the same as the press being accused of willfully Lying on AKA Fake news

Unreliable......misleading.......slanted......bias ed.....mistaken.....wrong????
Fake ....whether intentional or not....
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

Unreliable......misleading.......slanted......bias ed.....mistaken.....wrong????
Fake ....whether intentional or not....
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

posting a viewed of a bunch of people predicting something (and they even used the word prediction) is not fake news.

Your use of the word wrong is the only correct word you used.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

posting a viewed of a bunch of people predicting something (and they even used the word prediction) is not fake news.

Your use of the word wrong is the only correct word you used.

I didn't think Trump had a prayer, either.

That's not the clip I'd show, to illustrate the bias.

His MS-13 quote is a perfect example. He clearly meant that MS13 are animals, but several media outlets couldn't wait to report that he said all Mexicans were animals.

Or when he was campaigning, and he said that Mexican immigrants "are" drug dealers and rapists. In that same speech, he said that many were very nice people, so obviously he wasn't saying that 100% of them are rapists and drug dealers. But that's how it got spun.

They can't be fair or objective, they just can't. They will do anything to make him out to be a cartoon villain.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I didn't think Trump had a prayer, either.

That's not the clip I'd show, to illustrate the bias.

His MS-13 quote is a perfect example. He clearly meant that MS13 are animals, but several media outlets couldn't wait to report that he said all Mexicans were animals.

Or when he was campaigning, and he said that Mexican immigrants "are" drug dealers and rapists. In that same speech, he said that many were very nice people, so obviously he wasn't saying that 100% of them are rapists and drug dealers. But that's how it got spun.

They can't be fair or objective, they just can't. They will do anything to make him out to be a cartoon villain.

This MS13 quote?
The previous administration enacted an open-door policy to illegal migrants from Central America. "Welcome in. Come in, please, please."

As a result, MS-13 surged into the country and scoured, and just absolutely destroyed, so much in front of it. New arrivals came in and they were all made recruits of each other, and they fought with each other, and then they fought outside of each other. And it got worse and worse, and we've turned that back.

In the three years before I took office, more than 150,000 unaccompanied alien minors arrived at the border and were released all throughout our country into United States’ communities -- at a tremendous monetary cost to local taxpayers and also a great cost to life and safety.

Nearly 4,000 from this wave were released into Suffolk County -- congratulations -- including seven who are now indicted for murder. You know about that.

In Washington, D.C. region, at least 42 alien minors from the border surge have been recently implicated in MS-13-related violence, including 19 charged in killings or attempted killings.

You say, what happened to the old days where people came into this country, they worked and they worked and they worked, and they had families, and they paid taxes, and they did all sorts of things, and their families got stronger, and they were closely knit? We don't see that.

Failure to enforce our immigration laws had predictable results: drugs, gangs and violence. But that’s all changing now.
And Mexicans
Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
Are you claiming that he is not trying to spin opinion?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

This MS13 quote?
The previous administration enacted an open-door policy to illegal migrants from Central America. "Welcome in. Come in, please, please."

As a result, MS-13 surged into the country and scoured, and just absolutely destroyed, so much in front of it. New arrivals came in and they were all made recruits of each other, and they fought with each other, and then they fought outside of each other. And it got worse and worse, and we've turned that back.

In the three years before I took office, more than 150,000 unaccompanied alien minors arrived at the border and were released all throughout our country into United States’ communities -- at a tremendous monetary cost to local taxpayers and also a great cost to life and safety.

Nearly 4,000 from this wave were released into Suffolk County -- congratulations -- including seven who are now indicted for murder. You know about that.

In Washington, D.C. region, at least 42 alien minors from the border surge have been recently implicated in MS-13-related violence, including 19 charged in killings or attempted killings.

You say, what happened to the old days where people came into this country, they worked and they worked and they worked, and they had families, and they paid taxes, and they did all sorts of things, and their families got stronger, and they were closely knit? We don't see that.

Failure to enforce our immigration laws had predictable results: drugs, gangs and violence. But that’s all changing now.
And Mexicans
Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
Are you claiming that he is not trying to spin opinion?

"This MS13 quote?"

No, that wasn't it. He was talking about immigrants in general, then he honed in on MS13 and called them animals, and many outlets reported that he referred to all Mexicans as "animals".

"Are you claiming that he is not trying to spin opinion"

Of course he was spinning an opinion, and I'll concede that his opinion would probably disqualify him to ever be the US ambassador to Mexico. But he obviously wasn't bashing all of them. By and large, Mexico isn't exporting their best engineers, scientists, and business people to the US.

You are trying to spin every utterance into somehting for more sinister than it is. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

He's not a good man, not even close. But he's not what the media is portraying him as, either. Not only is it what they're doing dishonest, these liberals are still too stupid to see that it helps him. You can fill the Pacific Ocean with valid criticism of the guy, why do you need to fabricate stuff, especially when that has the opposite effect you seek? I don't get it.

When Michelle Obama said that she wasn't proud of this country until Barack got the nomination, liberals spent weeks defending her, saying, "well yes she said that, but what she really meant was..."

Can't have it both ways.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"This MS13 quote?"

No, that wasn't it. He was talking about immigrants in general, then he honed in on MS13 and called them animals, and many outlets reported that he referred to all Mexicans as "animals".

"Are you claiming that he is not trying to spin opinion"

Of course he was spinning an opinion, and I'll concede that his opinion would probably disqualify him to ever be the US ambassador to Mexico. But he obviously wasn't bashing all of them. By and large, Mexico isn't exporting their best engineers, scientists, and business people to the US. Why would they?

You are trying to spin every utterance into somehting for more sinister than it is. That's exactly what I'm talking about.
He would not be a very good con man if that was his rhetoric, it is far more subtle than that.

He's not a good man, not even close. But he's not what the media is portraying him as, either. Not only is it what they're doing dishonest, these liberals are still too stupid to see that it helps him. You can fill the Pacific Ocean with valid criticism of the guy, why do you need to fabricate stuff, especially when that has the opposite effect you seek? I don't get it.

When Michelle Obama said that she wasn't proud of this country until Barack got the nomination, liberals spent weeks defending her, saying, "well yes she said that, but what she really meant was..."

Can't have it both ways.

This time it's but Michelle...........
I think maybe you should read the transcript.
Trump’s remarks came during a May 16 immigration roundtable discussion that touched on so-called sanctuary cities, MS-13 gang members, the federal "catch and release" practice, and policies in California related to the detention of immigrants. Participants included cabinet members, California sheriffs and other elected officials.

Margaret Mims, Fresno County Sheriff: "Thank you, Mr. President. You know, sheriffs in California are now in an untenable position when it comes to trying to figure out — now, we have state law, we have federal laws, and here we are stuck in the middle. Sheriffs, especially, because most of us run our county jails.

"When there became a legal challenge to the 48-hour holds for ICE, it was very frustrating for us. So what I did is I invited ICE to put their officers in my jails so they're able to do their work. We didn't have the staffing to be able to help figure out who they wanted to talk to or didn't. I said, come on in, work with our people to keep our community safe. Two weeks later, Mr. President, Kate Steinle was murdered.

"Now, I wasn't the only sheriff to do that. Sheriff Youngblood did, Sheriff Christianson. And it was perfect — because we didn't have to take our time, with our staff, to do, to do anything. ICE was in there doing their work in a safe, controlled, environment. And then, the initiatives started happening -- the TRUST Act, the TRUTH Act, and finally, SB 54, the Values Act. And that is causing us all kinds of turmoil.
"So here we are, stuck in the middle, trying to decide. We have federal law, we have state law. And that's why I welcomed Attorney General Sessions's lawsuit, because that will provide us the clarity that we need and direction that we need. What do we do? Because here we are.

"And I appreciated Mr. Homan and ICE. We had a great relationship; we still do. But now ICE is the only law enforcement agency that cannot use our databases to find the bad guys. They cannot come in and talk to people in our jail, unless they reach a certain threshold. They can't do all kinds of things that other law enforcement agencies can do. And it's really put us in a very bad position."

Trump: "It's a disgrace. Okay? It's a disgrace."

Mims: "It's a disgrace."

Trump: "And we're suing on that, and we're working hard, and I think it will all come together, because people want it to come together. It's so ridiculous. The concept that we're even talking about is ridiculous. We'll take care of it, Margaret. We'll win."

Mims: "Thank you. There could be an MS-13 gang member I know about — if they don't reach a certain threshold, I cannot tell ICE about it."
Trump: "We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in — and we're stopping a lot of them — but we're taking people out of the country. You wouldn't believe how bad these people are. These aren't people. These are animals. And we're taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that's never happened before. And because of the weak laws, they come in fast, we get them, we release them, we get them again, we bring them out. It's crazy.

The dumbest laws, as I said before, the dumbest laws on immigration in the world. So we're going to take care of it, Margaret. We'll get it done."