IG Report

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Maybe we should bring back Public stonings and cutting chit off....That might help bring the numbers down.

Didn't see North Korea on the list either, where do you think they fall on the scale?

Since more than 75% go back to prison, that would be one solution.
I don't think a radical Islamic one is correct for us though you may disagree.
I would have no idea where North Korea falls, is that a nation you wish to be compared to?
My guess is they are lower since the only black person there in years has been Dennis Rodman and Jim says it's black culture that drives criminal activity.
He may have impregnated many of them lately, you know how those black guys are, give it a few years and they will catch up.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Jim says it's black culture that drives criminal activity.
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Blacks who embrace traditional family values, do just fine.

In the 1950s, the nation was at the height of racial segregation, and black fatherlessness was less than half of what it is today. Therefore, it's not racism driving this, if it was, fatherlessness would have been higher when racism was more predominant.

Robbing poor people of their ability to rise out of poverty, and making them addicted to welfare instead, is also a stupid and short-sighted policy. And it's a cornerstone of liberalism.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Robbing poor people of their ability to rise out of poverty, and making them addicted to welfare instead, is also a stupid and short-sighted policy. And it's a cornerstone of liberalism.

This is what i refer to with Lifeguards or Swimming lessons.
If you had two groups of children and two pools
Group A was given a lifeguard and let loose at the pool.
Group B was given a lifeguard and swimming lessons, then let loose at the pool.
What do you think the result would be at the end of the summer?
I think welfare should be like lifeguards and swimming lessons, both necessary but swimming lessons make lifeguards far less important to swimming. The problem is you can't stop the lessons when they get in water too deep just because.
Some will provide lifeguards because you can't just let them die.
Some will provide lifeguards and swimming lessons because they want them to succeed, but another will cut the swimming lessons because they can just stay out of the pool.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I would have no idea where North Korea falls, is that a nation you wish to be compared to?

Well, the list was (supposed to be) the world, NK is part of it.

I mean you compared us to China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia with that list. Is that who you wish to compare us to? Do you think our criminals would get a fairer shake in those countries than here?

The US averages 35 executions a year, China over a 1000....maybe therein lies the answer. I mean they average a 1/4 less incarcerations than the US, but over 30 times as many executions.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Well, the list was (supposed to be) the world, NK is part of it.

I mean you compared us to China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia with that list. Is that who you wish to compare us to? Do you think our criminals would get a fairer shake in those countries than here?

The US averages 35 executions a year, China over a 1000....maybe therein lies the answer. I mean they average a 1/4 less incarcerations than the US, but over 30 times as many executions.

It is actually really simple.
I don't actually what other countries do, I care what we do.
We have a higher rate of incarceration and recidivism than anyone else in the world.
In the last decade it has had a downward trend but for 40 years before that consistently went up.
Before the 70s it was a consistent percentage pretty common to the rest of the developed world.
If you think that it is worth $400 from every citizen of the US to incarcerate people and are willing to pay more each year, that is your choice. Remember you are paying that to provide the best training for criminals and paying more for it than a college education. I think it could be improved on and other countries have some alternatives that could be considered.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It is actually really simple.
I don't actually what other countries do, I care what we do.
We have a higher rate of incarceration and recidivism than anyone else in the world.
In the last decade it has had a downward trend but for 40 years before that consistently went up.
Before the 70s it was a consistent percentage pretty common to the rest of the developed world.
If you think that it is worth $400 from every citizen of the US to incarcerate people and are willing to pay more each year, that is your choice. Remember you are paying that to provide the best training for criminals and paying more for it than a college education. I think it could be improved on and other countries have some alternatives that could be considered.

I guess the big question would be "Do they deserve to be there?" If they are breaking laws and are being sentenced to prison because of their bad choices, then there isn't really anything that's "Broken".

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I guess the big question would be "Do they deserve to be there?" If they are breaking laws and are being sentenced to prison because of their bad choices, then there isn't really anything that's "Broken".

You could argue that our moral compass is broken, leading many to break our laws. But that doesn't mean our criminal justice system is broken.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I guess the big question would be "Do they deserve to be there?" If they are breaking laws and are being sentenced to prison because of their bad choices, then there isn't really anything that's "Broken".

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You could argue that our moral compass is broken, leading many to break our laws. But that doesn't mean our criminal justice system is broken.

If the goal is to make sure people are punished, then it works perfectly and crime increasing is an unfortunate but necessary byproduct.
I would assume you have never made a bad choice, and if you have luck has been on your side or you could afford good representation.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If the goal is to make sure people are punished, then it works perfectly and crime increasing is an unfortunate but necessary byproduct.
I would assume you have never made a bad choice, and if you have luck has been on your side or you could afford good representation.

"If the goal is to make sure people are punished"

HOW ABOUT IF THE GOAL IS TO PREVENT DANGEROUS PEOPLE FROM HURTING INNOCENT PEOPLE? Has that aspect ever crossed your mind? You sure don't seem to give that any consideration.

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I guess the big question would be "Do they deserve to be there?" If they are breaking laws and are being sentenced to prison because of their bad choices, then there isn't really anything that's "Broken".

Or has policy helped put them there? The War on Drugs has had a massive impact on incarceration of minorities and many argue it was a racially motivated to begin with.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Or has policy helped put them there? The War on Drugs has had a massive impact on incarceration of minorities and many argue it was a racially motivated to begin with.

Yes or No, Did they or didn't they break the law?

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Yes or No, Did they or didn't they break the law?

It's not a yes or no question.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Yes or No, Did they or didn't they break the law?

The asylum seekers, no.
The undocumented/illegals, yes.