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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Jim, here is the rate of incarceration per 100K population for the world. It seems other people have different solutions to issues than us.
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yes, and those solutions include not having an open border with Mexico, having populations that are 99% white, and in the case of some of the countries you mentioned like Iran, they execute drug dealers, which I'd imagine, cuts down on crime. If you want to have THAT conversation, let's have it. But I don't think you do.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

yes, and those solutions include not having an open border with Mexico, having populations that are 99% white, and in the case of some of the countries you mentioned like Iran, they execute drug dealers, which I'd imagine, cuts down on crime. If you want to have THAT conversation, let's have it. But I don't think you do.

We do not have an open border. We did, except for Asians, until a little over a hundred years ago.
Very few countries have a 99% white population, ALL countries have a lower rate of incarceration than the USA.
What do you think people learn in prison? Do they learn useful skills that help them succeed in society? Do they learn how to be more successful at life from other criminals?
Why do you think white people do not commit crimes? Is our crime rate because we do not have a lily white society?
Don't forget Trump was very impressed by Duterte's war on drugs, that killed thousands of people, would you go along with that if he attempted that here?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We do not have an open border. We did, except for Asians, until a little over a hundred years ago.
Very few countries have a 99% white population, ALL countries have a lower rate of incarceration than the USA.
What do you think people learn in prison? Do they learn useful skills that help them succeed in society? Do they learn how to be more successful at life from other criminals?
Why do you think white people do not commit crimes? Is our crime rate because we do not have a lily white society?
Don't forget Trump was very impressed by Duterte's war on drugs, that killed thousands of people, would you go along with that if he attempted that here?

You like to ask a lot of questions. Why don't you give some answers.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We do not have an open border. We did, except for Asians, until a little over a hundred years ago.
Very few countries have a 99% white population, ALL countries have a lower rate of incarceration than the USA.
What do you think people learn in prison? Do they learn useful skills that help them succeed in society? Do they learn how to be more successful at life from other criminals?
Why do you think white people do not commit crimes? Is our crime rate because we do not have a lily white society?
Don't forget Trump was very impressed by Duterte's war on drugs, that killed thousands of people, would you go along with that if he attempted that here?

"We do not have an open border"

we have, what, ten million undocumented people living here? A few years ago, a kid running for Congress, went to Mexico, and he crossed illegally back into the US, riding on an elephant, with a mariachi band walking with him, and he made it across (so the story goes). Effectively, it's open.

"What do you think people learn in prison? "

Nothing good. But they can't hurt civilians while in there, and that's at least a big part of why they are there.

"Do they learn useful skills that help them succeed in society?"

Probably not. If you want to spend some of my money to improve the programs to teach them marketable skills, I'm fine with that, if the programs work. I don't like spending money just to say you spent it.

"Why do you think white people do not commit crimes?"

For the same reason that Asian immigrants don't commit a lot of crimes. It has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the culture that people embrace. Whites and Asians tend to embrace traditional family values and the value of education. Blacks and Hispanics (with encouragement from liberalism, in my opinion) tend to embrace a culture that encourages different, less productive, decision-making.

"Don't forget Trump was very impressed by Duterte's war on drugs, that killed thousands of people, would you go along with that if he attempted that here"

No, I'm opposed to the death penalty, but I'm in favor of brutal prison sentences for drug dealers.

[scottw]

are Spence, Pete and Wayne off their meds or something?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

we have, what, ten million undocumented people living here? A few years ago, a kid running for Congress, went to Mexico, and he crossed illegally back into the US, riding on an elephant, with a mariachi band walking with him, and he made it across (so the story goes). Effectively, it's open.

The majority of undocumented people in the US came legally and overstayed their visa. Illegal border crossings are at a 46 year low.

For the same reason that Asian immigrants don't commit a lot of crimes. It has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the culture that people embrace. Whites and Asians tend to embrace traditional family values and the value of education. Blacks and Hispanics (with encouragement from liberalism, in my opinion) tend to embrace a culture that encourages different, less productive, decision-making.

And there you have it. Hooboy.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The majority of undocumented people in the US came legally and overstayed their visa. Illegal border crossings are at a 46 year low.



And there you have it. Hooboy.

Damn right there you have it.

70% of black babies are born without a dad. Poverty will never decrease meaningfully, until that statistic decreases meaningfully. I don't think skin color makes one more or less likely to have kids out of wedlock, so I say it's culture and decision-making.'

If I'm wrong, and I am sure you think I'm wrong, you tell me what's driving it?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Damn right there you have it.

70% of black babies are born without a dad. Poverty will never decrease meaningfully, until that statistic decreases meaningfully. I don't think skin color makes one more or less likely to have kids out of wedlock, so I say it's culture and decision-making.'

If I'm wrong, and I am sure you think I'm wrong, you tell me what's driving it?

The Source of Black Poverty Isn't Black Culture, It's American Culture
Americans don't want to imagine that our racist history is actually an ongoing, racist reality.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ulture/359937/
This wasn't even driven by Trump.
There is no simple answer.
I could go back to your argument about black abortions and see where that fits into the 70% claim.
White fatherless children are over 30% now also.
I do think that how you grew up has a great effect on how you will live.
What do we do to change that, sink or swim or swimming lessons?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Source of Black Poverty Isn't Black Culture, It's American Culture
Americans don't want to imagine that our racist history is actually an ongoing, racist reality.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ulture/359937/
This wasn't even driven by Trump.
There is no simple answer.
I could go back to your argument about black abortions and see where that fits into the 70% claim.
White fatherless children are over 30% now also.
I do think that how you grew up has a great effect on how you will live.
What do we do to change that, sink or swim or swimming lessons?

Blacks who maintain th enuclear family and who are invested in their kids education, do just fine. Whites who drop out of school to have kids, struggle. There's way more to it than race.

"The Source of Black Poverty Isn't Black Culture, It's American Culture"

Democrat American culture, in terms of slavery and segregation, not conservatives.

"There is no simple answer"

There actually is. Go to a good church on Sundays, and try to live according to the lessons taught. There's no easy answer, there is a simple answer. The simple answer is to do what's right, rather than what feels good at the moment.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Source of Black Poverty Isn't Black Culture, It's American Culture
Americans don't want to imagine that our racist history is actually an ongoing, racist reality.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ulture/359937/
This wasn't even driven by Trump.
There is no simple answer.
I could go back to your argument about black abortions and see where that fits into the 70% claim.
White fatherless children are over 30% now also.
I do think that how you grew up has a great effect on how you will live.
What do we do to change that, sink or swim or swimming lessons?

"I could go back to your argument about black abortions and see where that fits into the 70% claim."

Not sure what you mean by that, I'm as opposed to aborting black babies as I am to aborting white babies.

"White fatherless children are over 30% now also"

Yes. a disturbing trend. But 30 < 70.

"I do think that how you grew up has a great effect on how you will live."

Agreed 100%, which is why kids need good parents.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"We do not have an open border"

we have, what, ten million undocumented people living here? A few years ago, a kid running for Congress, went to Mexico, and he crossed illegally back into the US, riding on an elephant, with a mariachi band walking with him, and he made it across (so the story goes). Effectively, it's open.

"What do you think people learn in prison? "

Nothing good. But they can't hurt civilians while in there, and that's at least a big part of why they are there.

"Do they learn useful skills that help them succeed in society?"

Probably not. If you want to spend some of my money to improve the programs to teach them marketable skills, I'm fine with that, if the programs work. I don't like spending money just to say you spent it.

"Why do you think white people do not commit crimes?"

For the same reason that Asian immigrants don't commit a lot of crimes. It has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the culture that people embrace. Whites and Asians tend to embrace traditional family values and the value of education. Blacks and Hispanics (with encouragement from liberalism, in my opinion) tend to embrace a culture that encourages different, less productive, decision-making.

"Don't forget Trump was very impressed by Duterte's war on drugs, that killed thousands of people, would you go along with that if he attempted that here"

No, I'm opposed to the death penalty, but I'm in favor of brutal prison sentences for drug dealers.

Jim, there is an open border between each of the united states. I cannot just drive to Canada or Mexico without going thru Customs, nor can I fly to any country.
Anecdotal evidence is the populists response to issues. Rush and Bernie have been saving the world from all sorts of evils thru the media for years by citing anecdotal evidence.
People do enter this country illegally by crossing the border and also by overstaying their visas, like your friend. If you overstay your visa you have to wait three years to reapply.
We spend 50-60K a year per prison inmate to educate our prison inmates in how to be a better criminal.
We have the highest rate of recidivism in the world and you think that is the way to go?
Is it possible that the portion of the population that has the highest rate of incarceration continues to have higher and higher rates because of incarceration's effect on their culture?
You are incorrect about hispanics and rate of incarceration, it is much lower than blacks. But that would not fit into the evil Mexican image.
We have spent almost the last 50 years in a war on drugs and have made no headway.
We tried brutal sentences.
We have also let the Big Pharma create a whole new series of addicts, who then support the illegal sources.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Whites and Asians tend to embrace traditional family values and the value of education. Blacks and Hispanics (with encouragement from liberalism, in my opinion) tend to embrace a culture that encourages different, less productive, decision-making.

Black Kids Aren’t “Illegitimate,” Your Data Comprehension is: Racist Lies About Out-of-Wedlock Birthrates
https://medium.com/@timjwise/black-k...k-836fa501b869

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Black Kids Aren’t “Illegitimate,” Your Data Comprehension is: Racist Lies About Out-of-Wedlock Birthrates
https://medium.com/@timjwise/black-k...k-836fa501b869

That article was a desperate, pathetic attempt to deflect from the truth.