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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

In all seriousness, why are the kids getting separated?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ids-at-border/

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ids-at-border/

Ahh. So in spenceworld, murderers who have little kids, should not have to go to prison, because its bad to separate kids from parents.

I don’t like the separation, and 100% of the blame lies with the parents.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Ahh. So in spenceworld, murderers who have little kids, should not have to go to prison, because its bad to separate kids from parents.

I don’t like the separation, and 100% of the blame lies with the parents.
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Trump says it’s the Democrats fault
This administration has made the choice to charge all people who cross the border criminally rather than civilly.
This is America and we incarcerate a higher percentage of people than anybody else by far.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

This is America and we incarcerate a higher percentage of people than anybody else by far.
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....are you saying those incarcerated didn't earn it?

[Got Stripers]

Sad for the children no doubt and the blame clearly is with the parents and the Mexican government. People fleeing abusive husbands, fear of death from gang violence and maybe a desire for the American dream; where is the support for those people in their own government? That is the real story hear, there wouldn't be a flood of people coming across if their own government and society was a decent environment to raise their own children and enjoy a safe productive life. There are people in the US with the same fears and they are making a run with children in tow to the Mexican border. Unfortunately the children are pawns in a very bad game of chess and nobody comes out the winner in this one.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Sad for the children no doubt and the blame clearly is with the parents and the Mexican government. People fleeing abusive husbands, fear of death from gang violence and maybe a desire for the American dream; where is the support for those people in their own government? That is the real story hear, there wouldn't be a flood of people coming across if their own government and society was a decent environment to raise their own children and enjoy a safe productive life. There are people in the US with the same fears and they are making a run with children in tow to the Mexican border. Unfortunately the children are pawns in a very bad game of chess and nobody comes out the winner in this one.

You know who is winning? The people who own the private prisons that are housing all those kids. Connect the dots to the prisons investors and their ties to people who are in the government and I’m sure it all makes sense. But on the surface, this is wonderful news to the blue collar trump fan who would call those like us who care about what is right and wrong about how to respect a family a snowflake and tell us to go hide in our safe space.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The people who own the private prisons that are housing all those kids.
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wait...all those kids are being sent to prisons?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Sad for the children no doubt and the blame clearly is with the parents and the Mexican government. People fleeing abusive husbands, fear of death from gang violence and maybe a desire for the American dream; where is the support for those people in their own government? That is the real story hear, there wouldn't be a flood of people coming across if their own government and society was a decent environment to raise their own children and enjoy a safe productive life. There are people in the US with the same fears and they are making a run with children in tow to the Mexican border. Unfortunately the children are pawns in a very bad game of chess and nobody comes out the winner in this one.

I agree totally with what you say here--including the other Latin American governments from where the illegals come.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Sad for the children no doubt and the blame clearly is with the parents and the Mexican government. People fleeing abusive husbands, fear of death from gang violence and maybe a desire for the American dream; where is the support for those people in their own government? That is the real story hear, there wouldn't be a flood of people coming across if their own government and society was a decent environment to raise their own children and enjoy a safe productive life. There are people in the US with the same fears and they are making a run with children in tow to the Mexican border. Unfortunately the children are pawns in a very bad game of chess and nobody comes out the winner in this one.

^

Best post on the topic.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Ahh. So in spenceworld, murderers who have little kids, should not have to go to prison, because its bad to separate kids from parents.

Has said no one ever.

I don’t like the separation, and 100% of the blame lies with the parents.
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I hope you’re going to church this morning Jim.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Has said no one ever.


I hope you’re going to church this morning Jim.
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You bet I did. I get why people want what’s best for their
Kids. But not everyone who might want to come here, can come. There are limits.
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[wdmso]

Under federal law, it is a crime for anyone to enter into the US without the approval of an immigration officer -- it's a misdemeanor offense But again comparing Inmates and separating them from their children is just another False equivalence the right love to use to justify an action


they even brought the bible in to the argument

I would cite you to the Apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13 to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained them for the purpose of order,” said Sessions

Saw this comment on line

I wish the pro-life community would get as upset with ripping a child from his mother's arms as the community does over ripping a child from his mother's womb. The illegal act should not be met with the evil act of separating a child from his parents

If this is supposed to be a deterrent, perhaps the government should just kill the kids. After all, if taking children from parents is a deterrent, surely killing the children will be even more of a deterrent. At this point we're just arguing about degrees of evil and monstrous acts.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I wish the pro-life community would get as upset with ripping a child from his mother's arms as the community does over ripping a child from his mother's womb. The illegal act should not be met with the evil act of separating a child from his parents

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Oh give me an effing break. You're going to say with a straight face, that there is any equivalence whatsoever, between (1) temporary separating children from parents so the parents can be processed through the criminal justice system (and providing basic care for the kids during that time), and (2) slaughtering an unborn baby who by definition, hasn't done anything wrong?

And where was the moral outrage over this, from 2009 - 2016? Is this something Trump invented, or was this taking place when the Nobel Peace Prize winner was POTUS?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And where was the moral outrage over this, from 2009 - 2016? Is this something Trump invented, or was this taking place when the Nobel Peace Prize winner was POTUS?

Neither Bush nor Obama had the same policy Jim. Both treated minors traveling with a parent differently. Trump has changed two important things very recently:

1) By mandating that every case be prosecuted as criminal means the kids can't stay with their parent(s).

2) The process change on unaccompanied minors is making them harder to place. Most of these kids have family in the US and often that family is undocumented. This decision is now under the jurisdiction of ICE so if family is contacted they aren't responding for fear of deportation.

The Administration is just flatly lying to your face when they say this is a democrat law they're forced to follow. We need comprehensive immigration reform for sure but this is an evil political stunt for Trump to try and get his wall at the expense of kids.