Carson may have lost me last night

[PaulS]

Jim - question for you.

If someone was in a very rural area with only 1 doctor available who was a Jehovah's Witness and a member of their family needed a blood tranfusion to save their life. Would you have a problem with the Dr. refusing to perform it?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Jim - question for you.

If someone was in a very rural area with only 1 doctor available who was a Jehovah's Witness and a member of their family needed a blood tranfusion to save their life. Would you have a problem with the Dr. refusing to perform it?

don't answer that unless he can provide an actual example

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Jim - question for you.

If someone was in a very rural area with only 1 doctor available who was a Jehovah's Witness and a member of their family needed a blood tranfusion to save their life. Would you have a problem with the Dr. refusing to perform it?

Yes, I would. Because the standard, as Obama put it in the case of the truckers, is that if the religious person can get an accommodation without undue hardship, then he must be granted the accommodation.

In your example, it would likely cause undue hardship on the patient, for the only available doctor to refuse treatment.

That's not remotely the same thing as what happened with the clerk - the happy couple can get from the license from the employee in the next window. That's not an undue hardship.

Your example is not remptely what happened in the case of the Christian baker. Assuming there are other bakers in the community who would happily participate in the wedding, the happy couple can go with another baker. That's not undue hardship.

Your example, therefore, doesn't seem pertinent.

We all have to be willing to endure a little bit of nuisance of discomfort sometimes, to allow others to enjoy their constitutional protections. An artist can get public tax dollars to paint a picture of Holy Mary covered in feces - I find it deeply offensive, but I wouldn't want a law prohibiting it, because the Bill Of Rights gives the artist that right. The Bill Of Rights even applies to Christians.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Yes, I would. Because the standard, as Obama put it in the case of the truckers, is that if the religious person can get an accommodation without undue hardship, then he must be granted the accommodation.

In your example, it would likely cause undue hardship on the patient, for the only available doctor to refuse treatment.

That's not remotely the same thing as what happened with the clerk - the happy couple can get from the license from the employee in the next window. That's not an undue hardship.

I think what happened is that the judge put her in jail bc along with not issuing the licenses she was preventing the 5-6 clerks who work for her from issuing the licenses. I believe that her lawyers where stating that the couples could get licenses from clerks in other jurisdications. Prob. having to travel would be the difference and thus an undue hardship. Once she agreed not to infere w/the other clerks, she was let out.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I think what happened is that the judge put her in jail bc along with not issuing the licenses she was preventing the 5-6 clerks who work for her from issuing the licenses. I believe that her lawyers where stating that the couples could get licenses from clerks in other jurisdications. Prob. having to travel would be the difference and thus an undue hardship. Once she agreed not to infere w/the other clerks, she was let out.

Agreed, she has no right whatsoever, to force her beliefs on other clerks in that office. But as long as someone there was willing to grant the license, there's no undue hardship. Similarly, there's no undue hardship in finding another baker in the area. Do you agree?

Again, if Obama is willing to sue to make sure Muslim truck drivers get a religious accommodation, why the hell don't Christian workers have that same right? Do we have equal protection under the law, or did Weird Harold do away with that?