2 NYPD officers executed in response for Brown and Garner

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

May God be with the families of these two heroes. It had to be Christmas week, two families who will never enjoy this holiday again.

PaulS, you keep insulting me, and keep your head in the sand as to how wrong your side has been on this issue, and what their behavior almost certainly helped to bring about in this case.

Well with that first paragraph we finally agree on 1 thing.

You couldn't even wait until the 2 bodies were removed from the hospital bf you used them for your political purposes! How sad is that!

The majority of your posts are insulting. You can't post in this foum w/o insulting someone's beliefs. I don't think you are capable of it.

How was the "hate filled rhetoric" of the President responsible for some deranged POS' killing 2 police officers? And maybe you could contrast that to the teabaggers trying to take away his religion and country'? has there ever been a President who has been insulted more?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

has there ever been a President who has been insulted more?
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Actually, yeah, maybe even most other Presidents were insulted more. Politics was always an insulting free-for-all. Even more so in the 19th century. Americans were freer and more rambunctious in their characterizations of those they disagreed with.

Obama has actually brought into the dialogue, not a greater civility, but a greater fear of saying anything that might be perceived as an insult for fear of being called a racist.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Obama has actually brought into the dialogue, not a greater civility, but a greater fear of saying anything that might be perceived as an insult for fear of being called a racist.

Yes, it certainly put a halt to opponents using his black skin and funny name in a relentless smear campaign to undermine his identity as an American.

Nope, nobody willing to go there...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Yes, it certainly put a halt to opponents using his black skin and funny name in a relentless smear campaign to undermine his identity as an American.

Nope, nobody willing to go there...

So now, after you relentlessly smear those who are off-handedly called "extremists," you go to the "extreme" card. Where did I say "nobody" would go there? I was responding to Paul's assumption that Obama was the most insulted President ever.

Sure, there are those who will not be intimidated, no matter what the threat, against smearing. Just as there will be those who insist that something is a racist smear, even when rational discussions don't demonstrate such characterization. I suppose, one could use your phrase and say when it is demonstrably shown that something accused of being racist is really not, that would merely be an inability to lay a finger on the proof, and the real racism is there in spite of the evidence to the contrary.

My response to Paul was that Obama is not the most insulted President in history. Far from it. The reason I mentioned, among others that I didn't think so, was the fear by some of being accused of racism--the fear of the race card. Not that nobody would resort to racism. Your resort to the "extreme" card is inappropriate. I know you don't like inappropriate. Surprised you'ld go there. Not.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So now, after you relentlessly smear those who are off-handedly called "extremists," you go to the "extreme" card. Where did I say "nobody" would go there? I was responding to Paul's assumption that Obama was the most insulted President ever.

Sure, there are those who will not be intimidated, no matter what the threat, against smearing. Just as there will be those who insist that something is a racist smear, even when rational discussions don't demonstrate such characterization. I suppose, one could use your phrase and say when it is demonstrably shown that something accused of being racist is really not, that would merely be an inability to lay a finger on the proof, and the real racism is there in spite of the evidence to the contrary.

My response to Paul was that Obama is not the most insulted President in history. Far from it. The reason I mentioned, among others that I didn't think so, was the fear by some of being accused of racism--the fear of the race card. Not that nobody would resort to racism. Your resort to the "extreme" card is inappropriate. I know you don't like inappropriate. Surprised you'ld go there. Not.

Extreme card? Hell, the birther movement was GOP mainstream. Shall we count the politicians and Republican celebs who dabbled in Kenyan sensibilities? Should we go through the posts here where people couldn't help themselves but to stress the President's middle name?

It's a good thing the fear of political correctness kept these chaps at bay what with the POTUS bringing all that blackness to the office and all.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Extreme card? Hell, the birther movement was GOP mainstream. Shall we count the politicians and Republican celebs who dabbled in Kenyan sensibilities? Should we go through the posts here where people couldn't help themselves but to stress the President's middle name?

Why are you changing the subject. I referred to YOUR playing the card, not all the other people in the world, liberal or conservative, communist, capitalist . . . or liberal celebs (Democrat--there aren't that many Republican celebs) who on a weekly basis poked fun at or bashed Bush, or Reagan, or Palin, or Cruz, or Tea partiers. I wasn't trying to drag the world into the discussion, just your taking my comment to an extreme. Sorry I ruffled your feathers.

It's a good thing the fear of political correctness kept these chaps at bay what with the POTUS bringing all that blackness to the office and all.

No, I wasn't talking about political correctness. I don't think that has ever stopped progressive/liberal Dems from trashing Republican Presidents. It certainly wasn't a barrier against bashing all previous Presidents of either party in the past. Especially before the advent of such "correctness," which is fairly recent in our history. Presidents, politicians in general, were freely insulted before Obama. It was that, Paul's assumption that Obama is the most insulted ever, to which I responded. And it is my opinion, as well as that of "many experts" that the race card prevents many of the insults, even those that don't pertain to race, from being made. That certainly doesn't mean that insults, even many, against Obama haven't happened. Just that not as much as might have if he weren't black. In any event, I don't think any actual stats have been compiled as to who was the most insulted President. Don't think it would be possible to do it. But, it does come with the territory. Take it in good grace and move on. That's what Bush did. I know you like to remind us often that "Bush did it too."

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Why are you changing the subject. I referred to YOUR playing the card, not all the other people in the world, liberal or conservative, communist, capitalist . . . or liberal celebs (Democrat--there aren't that many Republican celebs) who on a weekly basis poked fun at or bashed Bush, or Reagan, or Palin, or Cruz, or Tea partiers. I wasn't trying to drag the world into the discussion, just your taking my comment to an extreme. Sorry I ruffled your feathers.

No, I wasn't talking about political correctness. I don't think that has ever stopped progressive/liberal Dems from trashing Republican Presidents. It certainly wasn't a barrier against bashing all previous Presidents of either party in the past. Especially before the advent of such "correctness," which is fairly recent in our history. Presidents, politicians in general, were freely insulted before Obama. It was that, Paul's assumption that Obama is the most insulted ever, to which I responded. And it is my opinion, as well as that of "many experts" that the race card prevents many of the insults, even those that don't pertain to race, from being made. That certainly doesn't mean that insults, even many, against Obama haven't happened. Just that not as much as might have if he weren't black. In any event, I don't think any actual stats have been compiled as to who was the most insulted President. Don't think it would be possible to do it. But, it does come with the territory. Take it in good grace and move on. That's what Bush did. I know you like to remind us often that "Bush did it too."

Not changing the subject, I just think it's pretty silly to claim political correctness had muted criticism of Obama when he's been subjected to the most racially motivated attacks I've ever seen.

As for the most insulted? I'm sure history has it's moments but certainly within my lifetime.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well with that first paragraph we finally agree on 1 thing.

You couldn't even wait until the 2 bodies were removed from the hospital bf you used them for your political purposes! How sad is that!

The majority of your posts are insulting. .... And maybe you could contrast that to the teabaggers trying to take away his religion and country'?
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Funny stuff right there
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

Funny stuff right there
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See, Paul can use insulting terms, and it's OK. Must be nice...

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

See, Paul can use insulting terms, and it's OK. Must be nice...

As I said earlier, the majority of your posts are insulting.

You just insulted Spence. You can't help yourself.

[FishermanTim]

"Can't we all just get along?"

[FishermanTim]

Maybe the "an eye for an eye" saying will hold true?

Nah, because in this competative world we live in, there is no such thing as "balance" or "equality" when dealing with anything even remotely related to racial issues. Somehow I see a competative streak amongst our nation's most racially "diverse" cities, and unfortunately the murders will continue to mount (as a means of making their point).

Sad how human nature can be so destructive and degrading?
We can be counted on to sink to our lowest when the opportunity is presented, and we will struggle to rise above it in the end.

Merry Christmas to all, and ....GOD BLESS US EVERY ONE!!!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

As I said earlier, the majority of your posts are insulting.

You just insulted Spence. You can't help yourself.

So are some of yours. I just wonder what the difference is...

Spence said that both sides fan the flames of racial animosity. True in the literal sense, but no honest person would dispute that the left fans those flames far more than the right (their current narrative is built, in part, on the notion that the plight of blacks isn't due to their own culture which encourages awful decision-making, but rather due to the one percent, whoever that is). To imply otherwise, is dishonest.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So are some of yours. I just wonder what the difference is...

Spence said that both sides fan the flames of racial animosity. True in the literal sense, but no honest person would dispute that the left fans those flames far more than the right (their current narrative is built, in part, on the notion that the plight of blacks isn't due to their own culture which encourages awful decision-making, but rather due to the one percent, whoever that is). To imply otherwise, is dishonest.

The majority of my posts here are in response to your posts and usually return the venom you spew. I limit them to you rather than paint 1/2 the population with the broad brush you do.

Tell us more about the "plight of blacks" since you seem to know so much about them.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The majority of my posts here are in response to your posts and usually return the venom you spew. I limit them to you rather than paint 1/2 the population with the broad brush you do.

Tell us more about the "plight of blacks" since you seem to know so much about them.

And the majority of my posts are a direct response to what I perceive as repugnant behavior from your side. So again, please explain the difference. I'm all ears...

The plight of blacks is poverty. Any honest person will admit that the best path to avoid poverty is to make decisions that are shown to avoid poverty - stay in school, study hard, get into a college, pick a majhor that will actually lead to a good-paying job, look presentable, work hard, don't have kids until you are at least 25. Studies show that people who follow this path, black or whote, almost always avoid poverty. Sounds a lot like what the Tea Party (those you called teabaggers) are suggesting.

Your side, Spence's side, takes the opposite approach, despite the fact that we have decades of empirical evidence to show that the liberal solution (here's a few dollars, it's not your fault, it's all whiteys fault, keep voting democrat if you want to keep this welfare) perpetuates poverty, it doesn't solve it.

My side is willing to say what's unpopular, because it;s obviously correct. Your side is willing to cripple an entire culture, in order to secure their votes by getting them addicted to welfare.

try making that wrong.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by PaulS

As I said earlier, the majority of your posts are insulting.

You just insulted Spence. You can't help yourself.

What wrong with insulting Spence ?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

What wrong with insulting Spence ?
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When you do it I just assume it's flirting. With Jim it's just a tic.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

What wrong with insulting Spence ?
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Nothing, he usually deserves it.