What's up with that Executive Action?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So since other executive actions have been over turned by the courts this one should be also if it's unconstitutional. Ordering Japanese Americans to camps, nationalizing steel mills or ending racial segregation in our schools weren't the minor things you implied above. You being "wicked smart" should know that (or was it "wicked successful")?

Anyone can file a lawsuit to get this over turned if they think it's illegal or I guess the constitution can be changed to prevent this in the future.
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"So since other executive actions have been over turned by the courts this one should be also if it's unconstitutional."

True.

"ending racial segregation in our schools"

Paul, are you seriously drawing a moral equivalence between laws that said blacks couldn't drink from the white water fountain, and laws that say we need to monitor who enters our country? Wow...

I am wicked smaht. Especially compared to some.

"Anyone can file a lawsuit to get this over turned"

Except as we know, and as El Duce is certainly counting on, anyone who crosses the emperor, is labeled an obstructionist racist by every TV station except one. He knows he has a lot of political cover.

I recall Obama had a democratic super majority in congress, for a fair portion of his first 2 years. I wonder why he never touched this issue then? Why now, after the American people have spoken very clearly, and yet their recently elected officials haven't been sworn in yet?

If the Republican House has any stones at all, they'll deny funding, and tell Obama if he wants to do this, he can pay for it out of his own pocket.

This is what you get when you elect a guy whose (1) wife hates this country, (2) spiritual mentor is a deranged lunatic who hates this country, and (3) whose first political sponsor is a terrorist.

Decades from now, people will ask of our generation, how the heck did this guy get elected to anything, let alone to the most important job in the world, when he had zero past accomplishments, except to make people get out of his way because he is black?

Viva El Duce!

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I recall Obama had a democratic super majority in congress, for a fair portion of his first 2 years. I wonder why he never touched this issue then?

Healthcare was the priority and I'd wager he thought immigration reform had more bi-partisan support. At least before the tea party it appeared as though it did.

Congress can't really de-fund the action without compromising efforts to deport the higher priority criminals etc...

All this action did was just move a group to the end of the line. It doesn't really provide for any new benefits or change any laws. If anything the significance is in the scale, but previous Presidents have gone much deeper via executive action. The odds of a Constitutional issue aren't looking good at the moment.

How much of this is really just about Obama? If he simply did what Reagan or Bush 41 did you'd be having the same hater fits.

The bottom line is that there will still be plenty of illegal immigrants out there to send home.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Healthcare was the priority and I'd wager he thought immigration reform had more bi-partisan support.

granting amnesty and immigration reform are not the same thing

How much of this is really just about Obama?
we know that Obama makes everything about Obama

The bottom line is that there will still be plenty of illegal immigrants out there to send home. no doubt there there will be a steady increase

this is hilarious from Homeland Security.....http://www.uscis.gov/immigrationaction

Executive Actions on Immigration

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On November 20, 2014, the President announced a series of executive actions to crack down on illegal immigration at the border, prioritize deporting felons not families, and require certain undocumented immigrants to pass a criminal background check and pay taxes in order to temporarily stay in the U.S. without fear of deportation.

These initiatives include:

Expanding the population eligible for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program to young people who came to this country before turning 16 years old and have been present since January 1, 2010, and extending the period of DACA and work authorization from two years to three years | Details

Allowing parents of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents who have been present in the country since January 1, 2010, to request deferred action and employment authorization for three years, in a new Deferred Action for Parental Accountability program, provided they pass required background checks | Details

Expanding the use of provisional waivers of unlawful presence to include the spouses and sons and daughters of lawful permanent residents and the sons and daughters of U.S. citizens | Details

Modernizing, improving and clarifying immigrant and nonimmigrant programs to grow our economy and create jobs | Details

Promoting citizenship education and public awareness for lawful permanent residents and providing an option for naturalization applicants to use credit cards to pay the application fee | Details



cracking down on illegal immigration at the border huh???

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Healthcare was the priority and I'd wager he thought immigration reform had more bi-partisan support. At least before the tea party it appeared as though it did.

Congress can't really de-fund the action without compromising efforts to deport the higher priority criminals etc...

All this action did was just move a group to the end of the line. It doesn't really provide for any new benefits or change any laws. If anything the significance is in the scale, but previous Presidents have gone much deeper via executive action. The odds of a Constitutional issue aren't looking good at the moment.

How much of this is really just about Obama? If he simply did what Reagan or Bush 41 did you'd be having the same hater fits.

The bottom line is that there will still be plenty of illegal immigrants out there to send home.

"I'd wager he thought immigration reform had more bi-partisan support"

Where to start. He was caught on video repeatedly during his first 2 years, saying that he couldn't implement immigration reform by executive action.

Nothing he does has bipartisan support, because his every thought and instinct are to the left of Mao, and he refuses to admit he's wrong on anything. He hasn't been the uniter we were expecting.

"
The bottom line is that there will still be plenty of illegal immigrants out there to send home"

No, that's not the bottom line. The bottom line is that El Duce doesn't think current codified laws are valid unless he happens to like them. Previously passed laws only exist if he allows it.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"ending racial segregation in our schools"

Paul, are you seriously drawing a moral equivalence between laws that said blacks couldn't drink from the white water fountain, and laws that say we need to monitor who enters our country? Wow...

I am wicked smaht. Especially compared to some.
!

Did I say that?

I read that you Implied that other exec action was for minor things and I used those examples to show that some major things where accomplished by exec action. (Even though the steel mills was overturned in court).

It sounds like you think the water fountain order was a larger issue this than this?

I always enjoy your posts.
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[Raven]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"So since other executive actions have been over turned by the courts this one should be also if it's unconstitutional."

True.

"ending racial segregation in our schools"

Paul, are you seriously drawing a moral equivalence between laws that said blacks couldn't drink from the white water fountain, and laws that say we need to monitor who enters our country? Wow...

I am wicked smaht. Especially compared to some.

"Anyone can file a lawsuit to get this over turned"

Except as we know, and as El Duce is certainly counting on, anyone who crosses the emperor, is labeled an obstructionist racist by every TV station except one. He knows he has a lot of political cover.

I recall Obama had a democratic super majority in congress, for a fair portion of his first 2 years. I wonder why he never touched this issue then? Why now, after the American people have spoken very clearly, and yet their recently elected officials haven't been sworn in yet?

If the Republican House has any stones at all, they'll deny funding, and tell Obama if he wants to do this, he can pay for it out of his own pocket.

This is what you get when you elect a guy whose (1) wife hates this country, (2) spiritual mentor is a deranged lunatic who hates this country, and (3) whose first political sponsor is a terrorist.

Decades from now, people will ask of our generation, how the heck did this guy get elected to anything, let alone to the most important job in the world, when he had zero past accomplishments, except to make people get out of his way because he is black?

Viva El Duce!

there's a line in my video game that says:

"I've heard about you and your honeyed words..."

that is Barry's Biggest accomplishment... and too many fell for it.