What's up with that Executive Action?

[PaulS]

So since other executive actions have been over turned by the courts this one should be also if it's unconstitutional. Ordering Japanese Americans to camps, nationalizing steel mills or ending racial segregation in our schools weren't the minor things you implied above. You being "wicked smart" should know that (or was it "wicked successful")?

Anyone can file a lawsuit to get this over turned if they think it's illegal or I guess the constitution can be changed to prevent this in the future.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So since other executive actions have been over turned by the courts this one should be also if it's unconstitutional. Ordering Japanese Americans to camps, nationalizing steel mills or ending racial segregation in our schools weren't the minor things you implied above. You being "wicked smart" should know that (or was it "wicked successful")?

Anyone can file a lawsuit to get this over turned if they think it's illegal or I guess the constitution can be changed to prevent this in the future.
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Anyone can file a constitutional law suit in the Supreme Court only if they have standing--which it would be difficult to do in the case of presidential executive action. Even Congress would find it difficult, if not impossible. The Court has narrowed, over time, the ability to bring suits, perhaps for political reasons, or perhaps to keep from being inundated with suits.

It was, ultimately, left up to the branches of government, specifically the Congressional and Executive, to protect their own turf. When Congress doesn't do so for fear of public opinion and losing a next election, it abrogates its own power and sets a loose precedent for the Executive branch to usurp and steal that power from Congress. This is exacerbated even further by politics being played even within the Congress itself. If enough of the President's party in Congress backs him up rather than protecting the congressional power exclusively given in the Constitution, nothing can be done to stop the transfer of power from Congress to the President. And bad precedents will be set to justify future Presidents, even from the opposition party, from doing the same. It erodes the constitutional order and creates the haphazard ideological governance that we increasingly drift into. Or, perhaps, we INTENTIONALLY are driven into by ideologues who want to destroy the constitutional order and replace it with rule by ideological elites through a purely administrative governance by an all powerful unitary central government. One which has no inconvenient obstacles such as separation of powers, or even a Constitution which prescribes that separation.

Here is an article on the "standing" required to bring lawsuit which might interest you:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/07/wh...utive-actions/

[rphud]

Based on what I am hearing about issues with registering Latinos for ACA coverage, I think 50% may be a significant overestimate. One more reason why this seems to be a very unwise battleground everybody has selected. Other than posturing for 2016 I don't see the political endgame. Most days I think every senator and congressman/woman should be reminded that we are a republic and they are to represent everybody not just the majority or plurality that elected them.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So since other executive actions have been over turned by the courts this one should be also if it's unconstitutional. Ordering Japanese Americans to camps, nationalizing steel mills or ending racial segregation in our schools weren't the minor things you implied above. You being "wicked smart" should know that (or was it "wicked successful")?

Anyone can file a lawsuit to get this over turned if they think it's illegal or I guess the constitution can be changed to prevent this in the future.
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"So since other executive actions have been over turned by the courts this one should be also if it's unconstitutional."

True.

"ending racial segregation in our schools"

Paul, are you seriously drawing a moral equivalence between laws that said blacks couldn't drink from the white water fountain, and laws that say we need to monitor who enters our country? Wow...

I am wicked smaht. Especially compared to some.

"Anyone can file a lawsuit to get this over turned"

Except as we know, and as El Duce is certainly counting on, anyone who crosses the emperor, is labeled an obstructionist racist by every TV station except one. He knows he has a lot of political cover.

I recall Obama had a democratic super majority in congress, for a fair portion of his first 2 years. I wonder why he never touched this issue then? Why now, after the American people have spoken very clearly, and yet their recently elected officials haven't been sworn in yet?

If the Republican House has any stones at all, they'll deny funding, and tell Obama if he wants to do this, he can pay for it out of his own pocket.

This is what you get when you elect a guy whose (1) wife hates this country, (2) spiritual mentor is a deranged lunatic who hates this country, and (3) whose first political sponsor is a terrorist.

Decades from now, people will ask of our generation, how the heck did this guy get elected to anything, let alone to the most important job in the world, when he had zero past accomplishments, except to make people get out of his way because he is black?

Viva El Duce!

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I recall Obama had a democratic super majority in congress, for a fair portion of his first 2 years. I wonder why he never touched this issue then?

Healthcare was the priority and I'd wager he thought immigration reform had more bi-partisan support. At least before the tea party it appeared as though it did.

Congress can't really de-fund the action without compromising efforts to deport the higher priority criminals etc...

All this action did was just move a group to the end of the line. It doesn't really provide for any new benefits or change any laws. If anything the significance is in the scale, but previous Presidents have gone much deeper via executive action. The odds of a Constitutional issue aren't looking good at the moment.

How much of this is really just about Obama? If he simply did what Reagan or Bush 41 did you'd be having the same hater fits.

The bottom line is that there will still be plenty of illegal immigrants out there to send home.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Healthcare was the priority and I'd wager he thought immigration reform had more bi-partisan support.

granting amnesty and immigration reform are not the same thing

How much of this is really just about Obama?
we know that Obama makes everything about Obama

The bottom line is that there will still be plenty of illegal immigrants out there to send home. no doubt there there will be a steady increase

this is hilarious from Homeland Security.....http://www.uscis.gov/immigrationaction

Executive Actions on Immigration

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On November 20, 2014, the President announced a series of executive actions to crack down on illegal immigration at the border, prioritize deporting felons not families, and require certain undocumented immigrants to pass a criminal background check and pay taxes in order to temporarily stay in the U.S. without fear of deportation.

These initiatives include:

Expanding the population eligible for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program to young people who came to this country before turning 16 years old and have been present since January 1, 2010, and extending the period of DACA and work authorization from two years to three years | Details

Allowing parents of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents who have been present in the country since January 1, 2010, to request deferred action and employment authorization for three years, in a new Deferred Action for Parental Accountability program, provided they pass required background checks | Details

Expanding the use of provisional waivers of unlawful presence to include the spouses and sons and daughters of lawful permanent residents and the sons and daughters of U.S. citizens | Details

Modernizing, improving and clarifying immigrant and nonimmigrant programs to grow our economy and create jobs | Details

Promoting citizenship education and public awareness for lawful permanent residents and providing an option for naturalization applicants to use credit cards to pay the application fee | Details



cracking down on illegal immigration at the border huh???

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Healthcare was the priority and I'd wager he thought immigration reform had more bi-partisan support. At least before the tea party it appeared as though it did.

Congress can't really de-fund the action without compromising efforts to deport the higher priority criminals etc...

All this action did was just move a group to the end of the line. It doesn't really provide for any new benefits or change any laws. If anything the significance is in the scale, but previous Presidents have gone much deeper via executive action. The odds of a Constitutional issue aren't looking good at the moment.

How much of this is really just about Obama? If he simply did what Reagan or Bush 41 did you'd be having the same hater fits.

The bottom line is that there will still be plenty of illegal immigrants out there to send home.

"I'd wager he thought immigration reform had more bi-partisan support"

Where to start. He was caught on video repeatedly during his first 2 years, saying that he couldn't implement immigration reform by executive action.

Nothing he does has bipartisan support, because his every thought and instinct are to the left of Mao, and he refuses to admit he's wrong on anything. He hasn't been the uniter we were expecting.

"
The bottom line is that there will still be plenty of illegal immigrants out there to send home"

No, that's not the bottom line. The bottom line is that El Duce doesn't think current codified laws are valid unless he happens to like them. Previously passed laws only exist if he allows it.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"ending racial segregation in our schools"

Paul, are you seriously drawing a moral equivalence between laws that said blacks couldn't drink from the white water fountain, and laws that say we need to monitor who enters our country? Wow...

I am wicked smaht. Especially compared to some.
!

Did I say that?

I read that you Implied that other exec action was for minor things and I used those examples to show that some major things where accomplished by exec action. (Even though the steel mills was overturned in court).

It sounds like you think the water fountain order was a larger issue this than this?

I always enjoy your posts.
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[Raven]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"So since other executive actions have been over turned by the courts this one should be also if it's unconstitutional."

True.

"ending racial segregation in our schools"

Paul, are you seriously drawing a moral equivalence between laws that said blacks couldn't drink from the white water fountain, and laws that say we need to monitor who enters our country? Wow...

I am wicked smaht. Especially compared to some.

"Anyone can file a lawsuit to get this over turned"

Except as we know, and as El Duce is certainly counting on, anyone who crosses the emperor, is labeled an obstructionist racist by every TV station except one. He knows he has a lot of political cover.

I recall Obama had a democratic super majority in congress, for a fair portion of his first 2 years. I wonder why he never touched this issue then? Why now, after the American people have spoken very clearly, and yet their recently elected officials haven't been sworn in yet?

If the Republican House has any stones at all, they'll deny funding, and tell Obama if he wants to do this, he can pay for it out of his own pocket.

This is what you get when you elect a guy whose (1) wife hates this country, (2) spiritual mentor is a deranged lunatic who hates this country, and (3) whose first political sponsor is a terrorist.

Decades from now, people will ask of our generation, how the heck did this guy get elected to anything, let alone to the most important job in the world, when he had zero past accomplishments, except to make people get out of his way because he is black?

Viva El Duce!

there's a line in my video game that says:

"I've heard about you and your honeyed words..."

that is Barry's Biggest accomplishment... and too many fell for it.