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Old 10-31-2014, 07:53 AM   #1
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Hey. He's from New York. Let's not forget that in the good ol days the rich plantation owners were actually democrats.

But yes. Let's keep religion out of politics. It's in the constitution.
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Old 10-31-2014, 08:59 AM   #2
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If we must follow the Constitution on politics and religion, should we not then follow it on matters of "education, healthcare, affordable housing, [protecting against] discrimination, paying people the minimum wage." Where in the Constitution does it say that the Federal Government should be involved in those things? Shouldn't we keep the Federal Government out of those things as well as out of religion?
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If we must follow the Constitution on politics and religion, should we not then follow it on matters of "education, healthcare, affordable housing, [protecting against] discrimination, paying people the minimum wage." Where in the Constitution does it say that the Federal Government should be involved in those things? Shouldn't we keep the Federal Government out of those things as well as out of religion?
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Old 11-01-2014, 05:40 AM   #4
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actually..it's not in the Constitution...I'm pretty sure the word "politics" never appears in the Constitution....maybe you hadn't had your coffee yet on that one either...or may be you haven't read the Constitution?

I cited Charlie as a wonderful example of the hypocrisy we see from the progressives today who will pillory anyone on the right who mentions God in the political arena as being unfit for public service yet feel comfortable using God as a politicking tool when convenient. And of course, the rest of what he said was just as low as you can crawl.

I don't have a problem with Charlie feeling he's "doing God's work"...he's perfectly within his right to do so..that's actually in the Constitution re. religion and speech

the Constitution, as written, doesn't ban religion from politics, or ban religious minded from being guided by their religious principles when involved in politics.. or religious-minded from trying to influence politics and their Government.... which is what you have made clear you would like to see or believe it says

not only does the Constitution restrict congress from making laws "respecting(with reference or regard to) an establishment of religion"...it also guarantees the Individual free exercise(which most certainly includes "POLITICS") that's what's actually "in the Constitution"

if you read the whole thing including the Bill of Rights, you'll notice a theme where Government is restricted in what it may do...... and the Individual's Rights are are "guaranteed"(protected) in what they may do

Religion is an individual right, unlike many other "rights" these days..it's actually in the Constitution, religion is a "belief" or set of beliefs...suggesting "Let's keep religion out of politics" is saying one must leave their beliefs at the door when entering the political arena...since we're all equal under the law...I'd suggest that you must also leave your beliefs, where ever they're derived from, at the door when discussing political issues or entering the political arena....it a simple way to exclude those that you may disagree with from the process...which may be why the Framers mention it first


Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


this is great...if you go to the Americans United for Separation of Church and State (AU) Charlie Rangel scores 100% by the AU on church-state separation

I wonder if they're aware that Charlie, as a long time elected "State" official(in Congress since since 1971) and leader is doing "God's work" through all of the "State" programs and policies that he's helped create and maintain, expand and fund....

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