Obama the Liar at it again...

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

Harsh jail time if you commit a crime with a firearm . Enforce the current law instead of plea bargaining them out .Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Great. Stops a potential second offense. I don't disagree.

How do so many guns get into criminals hands in the first place, if there are no loop-holes or other talking points that the advocate side or the NRA side use.... are they all stolen? Is it shell buyers? how do we attack that part of the problem...?

I'm all good with people owning weapons for sport, hunting and self defense, but the sheer volume that seems accessible to criminals is very disconcerting...

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Great. Stops a potential second offense. I don't disagree.

How do so many guns get into criminals hands in the first place, if there are no loop-holes or other talking points that the advocate side or the NRA side use.... are they all stolen? Is it shell buyers? how do we attack that part of the problem...?

I'm all good with people owning weapons for sport, hunting and self defense, but the sheer volume that seems accessible to criminals is very disconcerting...

Harsh punishment for firearm crimes also prevents first offenses.
We ban plenty of things that get into the hands of criminals. illegal drugs are directly related to many gun crimes. To blame the firearm is illogical.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

Harsh punishment for firearm crimes also prevents first offenses.
We ban plenty of things that get into the hands of criminals. illegal drugs are directly related to many gun crimes. To blame the firearm is illogical.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

I don't blame the guns, but the seemingly high accessibility of firearms puts them into the hands of people who shouldn't get them.

If it isn't some loophole, how do they get the guns? I don't know the answer, either....

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

How do so many guns get into criminals hands in the first place, if there are no loop-holes or other talking points that the advocate side or the NRA side use.... are they all stolen? Is it shell buyers? how do we attack that part of the problem...?

I'm all good with people owning weapons for sport, hunting and self defense, but the sheer volume that seems accessible to criminals is very disconcerting...

As I said before, there's really no difference between a legal gun and an illegal one.

The big problem here is the NRA, not the members mind you but the leadership who work tirelessly to whip everybody into a panic by pushing conspiracy theories that enrich themselves and their benefactors.

There's a lot of rational legislation the NRA leadership opposes simply because it would slow the free flow of firearms...

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The big problem here is the NRA

-spence

If that's true (and of course it's not), once again, why doesn't the NRA's actions result in a murder spike in Wyoming, where there are so many guns?

In my opinion, the NRA does more harm than good, though their influence probably isn't as strong as it used to be.

The commonality among the places with insane murder rates isn't the influence of the NRA. It's underlying socioeconomic and cultural factors, the worst of which is a complete collapse of the nuclear family in black culture. Traditional family values are mocked, and replaced by a culture which celebrates violence and drugs and gangster rappers, and which emphasizes that nothing matters more than what feels good to the individual. What a great cultural leap forward.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Great. Stops a potential second offense. I don't disagree.

How do so many guns get into criminals hands in the first place, if there are no loop-holes or other talking points that the advocate side or the NRA side use.... are they all stolen? Is it shell buyers? how do we attack that part of the problem...?

I'm all good with people owning weapons for sport, hunting and self defense, but the sheer volume that seems accessible to criminals is very disconcerting...

Good, fair, reasonable points.

But the scariest thing isn't the availability of guns. To me, the scary thing is how many of our citizens have it within them to do evil things to each other. If we got rid of all the guns, that doesn't address the fact that there are still a lot of would-sociopaths out there. That is the problem. The gun is the tool, and a very dangerous tool that requires regulation.

But the best solution is to get the peole in DC to be no more willing to do evil than the people of Wyoming. IMHO, the conservative agenda tries to address that, and the liberal agenda exacerbates that.

[Fly Rod]

There R laws aganist what some call a shell buyer or straw buyer such as in the case of the recent murders of the 3 jewish people in missouri...his guns were bought by a shell buyer....he will be charged onced found and arrested....also a gun dealer legally can not sell to a felon or he/she could be charged too

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

There R laws aganist what some call a shell buyer or straw buyer such as in the case of the recent murders of the 3 jewish people in missouri...his guns were bought by a shell buyer....he will be charged onced found and arrested....also a gun dealer legally can not sell to a felon or he/she could be charged too

The people he murdered were not Jewish. The whole thing is very sad.

And not because they were not, you know how the interblab can misconstrue things.

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The people he murdered were not Jewish. The whole thing is very sad.

And not because they were not, you know how the interblab can misconstrue things.

Yes U R right...