Obama the Liar at it again...

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

From the Washington Times...

Clinton said, putting photos on Social Security cards would represent 'a way forward that eliminates error,' without having to 'paralyze and divide a country with significant challenges.'”

Now, since you keep refusing to answer my question, I'll make it a nice fill-in-the-blank.

"Conservatives want to require a photo id to vote. This would apply equally to all, regardless of color. Those who don't drive can get another government-issued id. Blacks and whites will have equal access to these id's. Yet, I, Spence, claim this will disproportionately effect blacks because __________________"

Stop saying that it's a racist plot just because Al Sharpton and Ed Schultz say so. Tell me in your own words, please, where the racism comes into play.

You really, really backed yourself into a corner here.

Actually no, you validated my assumption that you're opinion is based off of what someone else wants you to believe. Let's go to the tape...

“Any time you erect a barrier to political participation that disproportionately affects people based on their race or their physical capacity or their income — or whether they've got a car to drive far enough and can afford the gasoline to get to a place where they can get an approved photo ID — any time you do any of that ... it undermines the sprit of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act,”

Bill Clinton - 9/14

Jim, Clinton was speaking out against voter ID laws, but suggested that a photographic SS card could be a way to ease potential voter suppression caused by state laws.

I'm sorry to have to break this to you.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

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Jim, Clinton was speaking out against voter ID laws, but suggested that a photographic SS card could be a way to ease potential voter suppression caused by state laws.

I'm sorry to have to break this to you.

-spence

You're not "breaking" anything to me. You are confirming what I said - that Clinton supports the notion of requiring a photo id (SS card) to vote. Why is getting a SS card with photo less likely to result in voter suppression, then a state id?

Finally Spence, you are repeatedly and cowardly dodging the only question that matters. Why does the requirement suppress more black votes than white votes.

I presume that you refuse to answer, because despite all your searching on The Huffington Post and The Daily Worker, you can't find anything that any of your fellow World Traveler posted that is on point. So you claim it's a racist policy, but you will offer absolutely zero evidence to support that. That's one hell of a solid position you have, when you have to duck a question as simple as "why do you think that"? Clearly you have given this a lot of thought, and considered both sides of the issue...

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You're not "breaking" anything to me. You are confirming what I said - that Clinton supports the notion of requiring a photo id (SS card) to vote. Why is getting a SS card with photo less likely to result in voter suppression, then a state id?

Ummmm, that's not what he was saying Jim...

Finally Spence, you are repeatedly and cowardly dodging the only question that matters. Why does the requirement suppress more black votes than white votes.

We've covered this many times...it impacts the poor and the poor are disproportionately minority. Please read the earlier posts...

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Ummmm, that's not what he was saying Jim...


We've covered this many times...it impacts the poor and the poor are disproportionately minority. Please read the earlier posts...

-spence

The poor, as non-drivers, would disproportionately need a government issued id. But why can't they just go get the id, like your Mom did? You are all over the place here...

I agree that more poor people would now need to get an id to vote, than rich people (as the rich would have driver's licenses). What you have not addressed, is why large numbers of the poor will refuse to get the photo id.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Ummmm, that's not what he was saying Jim...



-spence

Here is what he said...

"Clinton said, putting photos on Social Security cards would represent 'a way forward that eliminates error,' without having to 'paralyze and divide a country with significant challenges.'”

He explicitly said that a photo id (in the form of an SS card with photo) might be a good way to go, and that it wouldn't be divisive.

I honestly can't follow how you are suggesting that Clinton is not supporting the idea of a photo id to vote. The difference is, his photo id is a SS card.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Here is what he said...

"Clinton said, putting photos on Social Security cards would represent 'a way forward that eliminates error,' without having to 'paralyze and divide a country with significant challenges.'”

He explicitly said that a photo id (in the form of an SS card with photo) might be a good way to go, and that it wouldn't be divisive.

I honestly can't follow how you are suggesting that Clinton is not supporting the idea of a photo id to vote. The difference is, his photo id is a SS card.

Do some homework, see what he really said. You're being lazy...

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Do some homework, see what he really said. You're being lazy...

-spence

Coming from the guy who said that Canada' rate of gun ownership is definitely not high, I'd say your ability to think logically and draw conclusions is a bit askew.

Clinton likes the idea of requiring an id with a photo to vote. His proposition is that the id be a SS card.

We are all truly sorry if Clinton's statement supports the conservative position here. But while you are entitled to your own opinions, you are not entitled to your own facts.