Will Obama pay a political price for his lies?

[TheSpecialist]

Is the problem that insurance companies are so drastically changing plans that it is forcing people to change p,ans and pay higher premiums?

Honestly what could happen to him politically now, he has his two terms as president and he is going to be forever done with politics unless his wife runs for office. Screw them both

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Screw them both

Totally agree!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Is the problem that insurance companies are so drastically changing plans that it is forcing people to change p,ans and pay higher premiums?

Here's my understanding, based on the tortured jibberish that Obama has been spouting since his approval ratings took a dive.

From what I understood Obama to say...Obamacare set minumum guidelines that plans had to meet. In the individual market, many plans did not meet those guidelines. It looks like existing plans that did not meet the guidelines would be grandfathered in (not required to meet the new requirements), UNLESS those plans changed in any way. For a cheapo plan to get grandfathered, it had no stay identical to what it was last year. If those plans changed at all, then they now had to meet the new minumum standards. And I gather that it's unheard of for those plans to not change at least a bit, so essentially, very few plans would be able to get grandfathered.

This time next year, Obamacare could clobber the Dems worse than it did in 2010. Back then, it was all theory. Next year, many Americans will be keenly aware that they are paying a lot more, and businesses will be keenly aware that Americans suddenly have less disposable income.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Here's my understanding, based on the tortured jibberish that Obama has been spouting since his approval ratings took a dive.

From what I understood Obama to say...Obamacare set minumum guidelines that plans had to meet. In the individual market, many plans did not meet those guidelines. It looks like existing plans that did not meet the guidelines would be grandfathered in (not required to meet the new requirements), UNLESS those plans changed in any way. For a cheapo plan to get grandfathered, it had no stay identical to what it was last year. If those plans changed at all, then they now had to meet the new minumum standards. And I gather that it's unheard of for those plans to not change at least a bit, so essentially, very few plans would be able to get grandfathered.

This time next year, Obamacare could clobber the Dems worse than it did in 2010. Back then, it was all theory. Next year, many Americans will be keenly aware that they are paying a lot more, and businesses will be keenly aware that Americans suddenly have less disposable income.

Americans suddenly had less disposable income a long time ago.. Specifically when oil prices started climbing and food costs started climbing.. Who was president then???
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Americans suddenly had less disposable income a long time ago.. Specifically when oil prices started climbing and food costs started climbing.. Who was president then???
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Gas was under 2 bucks a gallon when Bush left office ....
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Gas was under 2 bucks a gallon when Bush left office ....
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Only because the economy was imploding. Buck, you know better...

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Only because the economy was imploding. Buck, you know better...

-spence

I know and the robust economy we have now explains the high gas prices
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

I know and the robust economy we have now explains the high gas prices
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GDP today is much stronger than in 2008/2009. Oil price is largely a product of consumption which includes manufacturing...not to mention speculation...geopolitical issues are a concern.

Were you serious when you typed that?

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Americans suddenly had less disposable income a long time ago.. Specifically when oil prices started climbing and food costs started climbing.. Who was president then???
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Don't talk to me about desperate
At least you're now acknowledging it was a long time ago . Maybe now you can acknowledge that the only people making out under the Obama administration are the very wealthy. That must really frost your a$$
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[likwid]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Is the problem that insurance companies are so drastically changing plans that it is forcing people to change p,ans and pay higher premiums?

People are getting forced to take up preventative plans, instead of catastrophic plans.

Sorry for bringing facts to the party.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by likwid

People are getting forced to take up preventative plans, instead of catastrophic plans.

Yes, forced and mislead would exactly be the right words when talking
about Obamacare.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Yes, forced and mislead would exactly be the right words when talking
about Obamacare.

How were they mislead? The government only regulates (on a state level) insurance. Not govern.

The lady in Florida with the $54 plan turns out was being scammed by bcbs of Florida on the $591/most plan replacement. Her plan was garbage and basically covered nothing (those plans you're looking at for instance 10k out of pocket before they kick in, and I'd bet most who had plans like that leave the taxpayer with the bill).
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

How were they mislead? The government only regulates (on a state level) insurance. Not govern.

The lady in Florida with the $54 plan turns out was being scammed by bcbs of Florida on the $591/most plan replacement. Her plan was garbage and basically covered nothing (those plans you're looking at for instance 10k out of pocket before they kick in, and I'd bet most who had plans like that leave the taxpayer with the bill).
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"How were they mislead?"

Really?...when Obama was selling Obamacare, he said (dozens of times on camera) that if you liked your current plan, you could keep it - period. Turns out that's not true for millions and millions of Americans. It was a major selling point of Obamacare that you could keep you current plan if you liked it.

What could be more misleading than that?

Worse, there are memos that the Administration has in its possession, which make it clear that they knew for a fact that not everyone would be able to keep their plans, but Obama continued to make that claim anyway.

That qualifies as misleading...Obama himself apologized on NBC yesterday, for the fact that his assurances did not bear out.

[Fly Rod]

There goes likwid again picking one out of a thousand. Obama did not even apologize, all he said was, "I'm sorry." This shows that he was insincere.

and I put that in sentences that U would like to C likwid

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"How were they mislead?"

Really?...when Obama was selling Obamacare, he said (dozens of times on camera) that if you liked your current plan, you could keep it - period. Turns out that's not true for millions and millions of Americans. It was a major selling point of Obamacare that you could keep you current plan if you liked it.

What could be more misleading than that?

Worse, there are memos that the Administration has in its possession, which make it clear that they knew for a fact that not everyone would be able to keep their plans, but Obama continued to make that claim anyway.

That qualifies as misleading...Obama himself apologized on NBC yesterday, for the fact that his assurances did not bear out.

Exactly, and in addition it turns out many will not be able to keep their Doc as promised. They will be forced to use another Doc as insurance companies drop their policies and Doc choice, and people are forced to use what is mandated by the Govt. Another freedom lost, especially hard on the elderly and those that are seriously ill who trust and are comfortable with their Doctor. Meantime,the same Govt. that makes the mandates for us has no consequences,as they have their own health care plan that is not affected.