Can you hear me now?

[Raven]

i heard that number was over stated by 900,000 people

[JohnR]

I hear the number was more like 600,000.

Interesting though, a large group of people demonstrating that you didn't have pick up loads of litter or deal in scuffles.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I hear the number was more like 600,000.

Same. But it would be out of character for something like facts to not get spun by those reporting.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Same. But it would be out of character for something like facts to not get spun by those reporting.

Absolutely, kinda like with HC it's 50 million are without insurance,
or no it's 47 million, no it's 27 million no it's 20 million or is it 5 million?

NYT said the Park Police in Washington didn't count those that were there.

The demonstrators were hoping for 35-50,000 in Washington but the Fire Dept. counted and estimated 75,000.

BTW- JR -they were brought up in a time when people looked down
on "Litter Bugs".

[Fishpart]

Interestingly enough 50,000 show up for a Million Man March that gets coverage for weeks and it is still a Million Man March. 100,000 Patriots show up in Washington peacefully protesting policy and it is dismissed as a few thousand and not even covered by the media.....

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Absolutely, kinda like with HC it's 50 million are without insurance,
or no it's 47 million, no it's 27 million no it's 20 million or is it 5 million?

Agreed. The lack of a harder estimated number without HC is ridiculous. I too would like to know who's included in that estimated 20-50 million. A 150% margin of error is less than helpful. (It's like the seal estimates of 5-12 thousand.)

Originally Posted by Fishpart

Interestingly enough 50,000 show up for a Million Man March that gets coverage for weeks and it is still a Million Man March. 100,000 Patriots show up in Washington peacefully protesting policy and it is dismissed as a few thousand and not even covered by the media.....

Or most people see these "tea parties" as a joke and some fad of the Conservatives to rile up the base. I would be willing to bet a minimum of 3/5 people at these things couldn't effectively represent what specific aspects of HC they disagree with and why - outside of regurgitating the talking points of Rush and friends. As fishbones has said in the past, even people that very actively follow the debate have difficulty sorting out what is actually in the bill and what is just propaganda.

As I have been saying consistently, there are major issues with the HC bill but Republicans are allowing the Dems to pass whatever they want because the Conservatives would rather fling sh!t than address the issues like grown ups.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I would be willing to bet a minimum of 3/5 people at these things couldn't effectively represent what specific aspects of HC they disagree with and why

JD, your selling the American people short.

I would say that might have been true 3 months ago, but after seeing all these take overs ,
spending programs and HC trying to be pushed on them, the American people have taken notice and are fast learners.
Like they say:
"Ya can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all of the time."

I would bet however ,when it comes to Obama and Congress 3/5 don't know all that's in, or could fully explain what's in the HC proposals.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by justplugit

JD, your selling the American people short.

I would say that might have been true 3 months ago, but after seeing all these take overs ,
spending programs and HC trying to be pushed on them, the American people have taken notice and are fast learners.
Like they say:
"Ya can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all of the time." I would bet however ,when it comes to Obama and Congress 3/5 don't know all that's in, or could fully explain what's in the HC proposals.

As many here know, I have very little faith in the Average American. People that state they don't have time to fully evaluate the issues before voting for president, people that simply vote by party, people that don't even know what exactly they're voting for.
Working very intimately with people from all walks of life for the last 15 years in a significant variety of fields and jobs as taught me one thing: the average person is an idiot.

If you want to contest it, just go for a 10 minute drive, or sit at the RMV for 30 minutes, fly, go to a high-end retail outlet or simply go order some coffee. When it comes to encounters with "the average American", more people are completely out of their minds than not.

Call me a cynic, but work in Emergency Medicine for over 6 years, and you'll see.

If the people drafting the bill, championing for it or petitioning against it are unsure what is actually in the bill, how can your average American know?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

As I have been saying consistently, there are major issues with the HC bill but Republicans are allowing the Dems to pass whatever they want because the Conservatives would rather fling sh!t than address the issues like grown ups.

Perhaps you have not noticed that the Republicans have proposed alternative ideas. (Which might be due to lack of media coverage.) Tort reform certainly has been a "conservative" idea. But even if, as you say, the "Conservatives" would rather fling feces, wouldn't it be more to the point to criticize the Dems for passing "whatever they want" rather than rebuking the Repubs for "allowing" them to do it?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by detbuch

wouldn't it be more to the point to criticize the Dems for passing "whatever they want" rather than rebuking the Repubs for "allowing" them to do it?

I do. Which is worse, the animals who run rampant or those that allow them. The Repubs are allowing unbuffered legislation to be drafted by spinning the contents of the bill in an effort to tarnish the Dems, as opposed to educating the public (without political, polar bias).

I agree with some of the Repub position, but I think their tactics as of late are allowing the Dems demonize them.

[JohnR]

JohnnyD - I partially agree with you which is why we on slightly different sides of the center. Part of the problem is that in addition to a large segment of the populace not knowing what the issues are is electing a large segment of our representation that could give a rat's behind on the issues are

Another reason I'm a centrist - both party's suck.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I hear the number was more like 600,000.

Interesting though, a large group of people demonstrating that you didn't have pick up loads of litter or deal in scuffles.

Unless they are all out there protesting in real nasty weather

like quai chang kane standing outside the monastery waiting to be let in.... it won't continue to get press coverage.

i loved the sign with nancy pelosi on it with the Pinocchio Nose

an umbrella company with a tea party logo on the top could make a small fortune if they had any brains

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