Paul: re crack pipes

[wdmso]

This sums it up

For about a decade, the majority of people who died from overdoses were white, and the discussion around drug policy has centered on prescription opioids. White middle-class people in addiction have been framed as victims of pharmaceutical companies that got them “hooked.” The narrative about Black people who used drugs during the crack crisis of the 1980s and ’90s was very different, implying that their drug use was a criminal and moral failure.


I worked in a detox no one in the state gave a #^&#^&#^&#^& about heroin or overdoses or crack it was inner city problem

Then came oxy’s and guess what it started killing white kids on the cape and in middle class America and boy did treatment in America change it became a disease that people could make money off and so did political outrage , every day for 20 plus years not matter on our court committed detox Count 98% were white between 18 to 26 on Avg , the rarest Asians
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

This sums it up

For about a decade, the majority of people who died from overdoses were white, and the discussion around drug policy has centered on prescription opioids. White middle-class people in addiction have been framed as victims of pharmaceutical companies that got them “hooked.” The narrative about Black people who used drugs during the crack crisis of the 1980s and ’90s was very different, implying that their drug use was a criminal and moral failure.


no one in the state gave a #^&#^&#^&#^& about…crack it was inner city problem

Then came oxy’s and guess what it started killing white kids
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those are your words. obviously, you’re saying crack is primarily a black problem.

Then when i say the same thing, you claim I’m wrong.

It’s very difficult to take you seriously. You’re humiliating yourself because you can’t just admit that maybe i was right on one thing, one time.

Also, you cannot refute me, by pointing to republicans who disagree with me. Unlike you, i can say that my side does a lot of stupid things. Unlike you, I don’t have to agree with my side on every single, solitary issue.

I never said that there’s no such thing as a republican who advocated for needle exchanges. But it’s mostly a liberal idea. And everyone who agrees with it, whether they’re a liberal or a conservative, is next-generation stupid.

Anyway, we’d all love to hear your explanation on why you flip-flopped so completely on blacks and crack, in the blink of an eye.

It’s fine when you say crack is mostly a black problem. But when Insay it, I’m an idiot.

Have fun with that.

wdmso: no one cares about crack because it was blacks…

jim: handing out crack pipes is bad for blacks…

wdmso: oh, you think only blacks do crack?

Do you not see the lack of logic there wayne?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

those are your words. obviously, you’re saying crack is primarily a black problem.

Then when i say the same thing, you claim I’m wrong.

It’s very difficult to take you seriously. You’re humiliating yourself because you can’t just admit that maybe i was right on one thing, one time.

Also, you cannot refute me, by pointing to republicans who disagree with me. Unlike you, i can say that my side does a lot of stupid things. Unlike you, I don’t have to agree with my side on every single, solitary issue.

I never said that there’s no such thing as a republican who advocated for needle exchanges. But it’s mostly a liberal idea. And everyone who agrees with it, whether they’re a liberal or a conservative, is next-generation stupid.

Anyway, we’d all love to hear your explanation on why you flip-flopped so completely on blacks and crack, in the blink of an eye.

It’s fine when you say crack is mostly a black problem. But when Insay it, I’m an idiot.

Have fun with that.

wdmso: no one cares about crack because it was blacks…

jim: handing out crack pipes is bad for blacks…

wdmso: oh, you think only blacks do crack?

Do you not see the lack of logic there wayne?
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The intelligent thing apparently is that addicts deserve to get more diseases.

As far as meth and crack being black issues, Y’all ain’t never been to Appalachia have ya?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The intelligent thing apparently is that addicts deserve to get more diseases.

As far as meth and crack being black issues, Y’all ain’t never been to Appalachia have ya?
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they need help. i don’t think it’s productive to make it easier to do drugs

i’m wondering, multiple
people here have asked you to comment on what san francisco and portland look like. is there a particular reason you refuse to comment on that?

it’s an interesting sounding theory, to hand out needles and crack pipes. but we don’t need to speculate, because there are places that coddle druggies, and we can see what the results are.

Liberals are, in general, not persuaded by results or empirical data. once they decide something is a good idea, they will never be convinced otherwise, no matter how clear the results are that it’s just not a good idea.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

they need help. i don’t think it’s productive to make it easier to do drugs

i’m wondering, multiple
people here have asked you to comment on what san francisco and portland look like. is there a particular reason you refuse to comment on that?

it’s an interesting sounding theory, to hand out needles and crack pipes. but we don’t need to speculate, because there are places that coddle druggies, and we can see what the results are.

Liberals are, in general, not persuaded by results or empirical data. once they decide something is a good idea, they will never be convinced otherwise, no matter how clear the results are that it’s just not a good idea.
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Drugs are not a problem confined to liberals, haven’t you seen Don Jr

Look a few posts above
Conservative states are far from immune, you think the states in Appalachia are a liberal bastion?
You just don’t hear about it in right wing media
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The intelligent thing apparently is that addicts deserve to get more diseases.

As far as meth and crack being black issues, Y’all ain’t never been to Appalachia have ya?
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so you’re denying that crack disproportionately effects blacks?

so when all the liberals said crack laws were racist because those laws disproportionately impacted blacks, they were all wrong?

see, you boxed yourself into a corner. in your mind, every single thing i say, must be wrong. but it was liberals who convinced me that crack was especially hard on blacks,

so if you’re saying I’m wrong, you’re also saying that a huge number of liberals are also wrong.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The intelligent thing apparently is that addicts deserve to get more diseases.

As far as meth and crack being black issues, Y’all ain’t never been to Appalachia have ya?
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y’all never heard of the ACLU, have ya?

Here, the ACLU makes it clear that blacks disproportionately use crack, whites disproportionately use powder cocaine, therefore tougher sentencing for crack hurts blacks.

Pete, are you saying the ACLU ( who are saying the same thing I’m saying) are wrong?

Looking forward to that answer.

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/f...m_20061025.pdf
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

those are your words. obviously, you’re saying crack is primarily a black problem.

Then when i say the same thing, you claim I’m wrong.

It’s very difficult to take you seriously. You’re humiliating yourself because you can’t just admit that maybe i was right on one thing, one time.

Also, you cannot refute me, by pointing to republicans who disagree with me. Unlike you, i can say that my side does a lot of stupid things. Unlike you, I don’t have to agree with my side on every single, solitary issue.

I never said that there’s no such thing as a republican who advocated for needle exchanges. But it’s mostly a liberal idea. And everyone who agrees with it, whether they’re a liberal or a conservative, is next-generation stupid.

Anyway, we’d all love to hear your explanation on why you flip-flopped so completely on blacks and crack, in the blink of an eye.

It’s fine when you say crack is mostly a black problem. But when Insay it, I’m an idiot.

Have fun with that.

wdmso: no one cares about crack because it was blacks…

jim: handing out crack pipes is bad for blacks…

wdmso: oh, you think only blacks do crack?

Do you not see the lack of logic there wayne?
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The narrative about Black people who used drugs during the crack crisis of the 1980s and ’90s was very different, implying that their drug use was a criminal and moral failure.


That wasn’t my position that’s the conservatives position then and now

The only one embarrassing themself is you

You can’t follow can you ? You have no historical view or experience in addiction. You are just regurgitation machine of conservatives talking points

Anything forward looking in your world is of course next-generation stupid.

Conservatives are all peddlers on a stationary Bike complaining that nothings changing

Because every past program to attack addiction has such a great track record ..

AA and NA are still the best tools to fight addiction
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

That wasn’t my position that’s the conservatives position then and now



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yes it was your position yesterday. you said no one cared about crack, then oxy came along and white kids were dying and people cared. which means that non-white kids were predominantly the ones dying before.

I posted a study from the ACLU which clearly shows it was predominantly a black issue. is the ACLU wrong?

“drug use was a moral failure.”

drug use IS a moral failure. when you freely choose to take drugs for the first time, you’re being an unbelievable moron. everyone knows the dangers. becoming an addict is a disease that no one chooses. but every single person makes a free choice to use it the first time. and you deserve to be ridiculed for making such a profoundly stupid choice.

“you have no experience in addiction”.


except my brother being a raging alcoholic who has struggled
mightily his entire adult life, i’ve been to at least 30 AA meetings with him. and dragged him to rehab several times, paid his mortgage and heating bills God knows how many times, prayed for him god knows how many times, called his sponsors god knows how many times, cried like a baby for him god knows how many times.

Never once, did it ever occur to me, that i could help him by making it easier for him to drink.

Wayne, you struggle with simple and straightforward facts that are right in front of you. You’re wrong about what you yourself said yesterday! Stop trying to assume things about me. You stink at it.

“every past program to treat addiction has a great track record.”

how’s the track record for places that coddle and enable addicts? is that working in san francisco and portland?

Can you please, please address that question?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

yes it was your position yesterday. you said no one cared about crack, then oxy came along and white kids were dying and people cared. which means that non-white kids were predominantly the ones dying before.

I posted a study from the ACLU which clearly shows it was predominantly a black issue. is the ACLU wrong?

“drug use was a moral failure.”

drug use IS a moral failure. when you freely choose to take drugs for the first time, you’re being an unbelievable moron. everyone knows the dangers. becoming an addict is a disease that no one chooses. but every single person makes a free choice to use it the first time. and you deserve to be ridiculed for making such a profoundly stupid choice.

“you have no experience in addiction”.


except my brother being a raging alcoholic who has struggled
mightily his entire adult life, i’ve been to at least 30 AA meetings with him. and dragged him to rehab several times, paid his mortgage and heating bills God knows how many times, prayed for him god knows how many times, called his sponsors god knows how many times, cried like a baby for him god knows how many times.

Never once, did it ever occur to me, that i could help him by making it easier for him to drink.

Wayne, you struggle with simple and straightforward facts that are right in front of you. You’re wrong about what you yourself said yesterday! Stop trying to assume things about me. You stink at it.

“every past program to treat addiction has a great track record.”

how’s the track record for places that coddle and enable addicts? is that working in san francisco and portland?

Can you please, please address that question?
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having a brother being an alcoholic. ( is tough) and it a personal window into the horrible world of addiction. But that experience isn’t what I was referring to. Many of us have that experience or we know some one trapped in the circle of addiction, And it’s personal and these people are victims of addiction also .



.. Yet it seems it didn’t help you’re understanding of addiction . From a Treatment’s prospective, If you think his addiction is his moral failure or is that reserved for drug users ? and if you think needle exchange and safe injection sites
Or housing for addicts is some how to promote and encourage drug usage

The Treatment and the message for addiction is simple don’t use don’t drink . but the path to get these people to accept the message is much harder

So in a nut shell the use CRACK PIPE by Republicans was targeting Blacks , not meth pipe , not weed pipe , but Crack

And also Jim your crusade That the Dems are targeting blacks to get Abortions is more regurgitate talking points by guess who

Antiabortion activists, including some African-American pastors, have been waging a campaign around this fact, falsely asserting that the disparity is the result of aggressive marketing by abortion providers Aka Dems to minority communities.

These activists are exploiting and distorting the facts to serve their antiabortion agenda. They ignore the fundamental reason women have abortions and the underlying problem of racial and ethnic disparities across an array of health indicators. The truth is that behind virtually every abortion is an unintended pregnancy. This applies to all women—black, white, Hispanic, Asian and Native American alike.


https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2008/...bigger-picture