If the gop win the midterms

[scottw]

not the same people...clearly...wtf is going on with his eyes?

[Pete F.]

Donald Trump increased the federal debt by $8 trillion but his supporters are calling President Biden's recovery plan "Build Back Broke." If Trump's political supporters were any worse at math they'd be shareholders in Trump Steaks.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Donald Trump increased the federal debt by $8 trillion but his supporters are calling President Biden's recovery plan "Build Back Broke." If Trump's political supporters were any worse at math they'd be shareholders in Trump Steaks.
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the brandon recession will affect everyone.....

[Pete F.]

Are you hoping for a recession?

Meanwhile the leader of today's "American" "conservativism" speaks at CPAC in Dallas next week: Viktor Orban.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Are you hoping for a recession?


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I think it's official....

[Pete F.]

Senate Republicans blocked the PACT Act – critical veterans’ healthcare legislation that they supported just weeks ago, to retaliate against Democrats for legislation lowering prescription drug prices?
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[Pete F.]

Trump budget bill INCREASED the deficit by $4 TRILLION.

Biden budget bill (announced last night) DECREASES the deficit by $300 BILLION.

There’s only one fiscally responsible party.

And by the way

New Fox News polls just out:

PA SEN:
47% Fetterman (D)
36% Oz (R)

GA SEN:
46% Warnock (D)
42% Walker (R)

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[scottw]

so you are saying...we're in a recession?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

GA SEN:
46% Warnock (D)
42% Walker (R)

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didn't you just cherry pick a random poll the other day to say Warnock was way ahead?






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NEW poll of the Georgia Senate race:
Warnock (D) 48%
Walker (R) 39%

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[Pete F.]

Lots of polls, all trending the same
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[Pete F.]

So for those who need reminding:
In the last few WEEKS, the GQP has said f you to:
- Women
- Members of the LGBTQIA+ community
- Veterans
- Mother Earth
- School children (some of whom will soon enough be the product of forced births)

Simultaneously, it has hugged:
- Guns
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So for those who need reminding:
In the last few WEEKS, the GQP has said f you to:
- Women
- Members of the LGBTQIA+ community
- Veterans
- Mother Earth
- School children (some of whom will soon enough be the product of forced births)

Simultaneously, it has hugged:
- Guns
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if you’re an unborn child, forced birth is better than abortion. a whole lot better.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if you’re an unborn child, forced birth is better than abortion. a whole lot better.
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A national abortion ban would result in a 24% increase in deaths for all women and a 39% increase in deaths for non-Hispanic Black women. There is nothing pro-life about Republicans’ forced-birth movement.

Pregnancy is 14 times more likely to result in a woman’s death than an abortion; and the states outlawing abortion right now already have the highest rates of infant and maternal mortality due to high levels of poverty, limited access to healthcare, and refusal to expand Medicaid.

Forced-birth laws will not save any lives. They will just kill more women and create ripple effects of trauma and devastation throughout society. None of this is about life. The same people pushing forced birth laws also want to outlaw contraception and sex education.

The first sentence of the 1st Amendment states that no law will be made respecting an establishment of religion. SCOTUS’ overturning of Roe was flagrantly unconstitutional and this court of religious ideologues has absolutely zero legitimacy.

Women will not tolerate this; nor should they. The issue isn’t when life or conception begins. It’s who should make decisions about women’s bodies: women themselves or governments. And there is no debate. Women should make these decisions for themselves. Not the government.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A national abortion ban would result in a 24% increase in deaths for all women and a 39% increase in deaths for non-Hispanic Black women. There is nothing pro-life about Republicans’ forced-birth movement.

Pregnancy is 14 times more likely to result in a woman’s death than an abortion; and the states outlawing abortion right now already have the highest rates of infant and maternal mortality due to high levels of poverty, limited access to healthcare, and refusal to expand Medicaid.

Forced-birth laws will not save any lives. They will just kill more women and create ripple effects of trauma and devastation throughout society. None of this is about life. The same people pushing forced birth laws also want to outlaw contraception and sex education.

The first sentence of the 1st Amendment states that no law will be made respecting an establishment of religion. SCOTUS’ overturning of Roe was flagrantly unconstitutional and this court of religious ideologues has absolutely zero legitimacy.

Women will not tolerate this; nor should they. The issue isn’t when life or conception begins. It’s who should make decisions about women’s bodies: women themselves or governments. And there is no debate. Women should make these decisions for themselves. Not the government.
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you dodged my question naturally. when you were an unborn child, would
you prefer forced birth or abortion.

If there were a nationwide abortion ban, how many babies’ lives would be saved?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you dodged my question naturally. when you were an unborn child, would
you prefer forced birth or abortion.

If there were a nationwide abortion ban, how many babies’ lives would be saved?
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Silly troll
I don’t believe life starts at conception, so zero
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Forced-birth laws will not save any lives.

The first sentence of the 1st Amendment states that no law will be made respecting an establishment of religion.
The issue isn’t when life or conception begins.
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( 1 it will save a million lives a year.

(2) believing abortion is a state issue, is not part of any religion that i know of.

(3) the question of when life begins, is literally all that matters, because everyone, including you, are ok with laws that prevent women from using their bodies in a way that hurts someone else! you and i both agree on that. so the only question, is when the baby constitutes someone else.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So for those who need reminding:
In the last few WEEKS, the GQP has said f you to:
- Women
- Members of the LGBTQIA+ community
- Veterans
- Mother Earth
- School children (some of whom will soon enough be the product of forced births)

Simultaneously, it has hugged:
- Guns
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you just need to have a little honesty and empathy and heart.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

you just need to have a little honesty and empathy and heart.
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wel we ( including the most middle of the road guy here) proved you were lying about what the GOP did to “vets”, so you have zero credibility on the other issues.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wel we ( including the most middle of the road guy here) proved you were lying about what the GOP did to “vets”, so you have zero credibility on the other issues.
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Who is the most middle of the road here?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Who is the most middle of the road here?

TDF has agreed with, and disagreed with, everybody.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wel we ( including the most middle of the road guy here) proved you were lying about what the GOP did to “vets”, so you have zero credibility on the other issues.
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VA Secretary Denis McDonough says Republican Senators’ new proposed changes to the PACT Act would result in rationing care to sick veterans; the VA could only spend so much per year, regardless of need, and would only treat vets for 10 years, again, regardless of need.

The same people helped Trump add 7.8 TRILLION to the debt.
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[Pete F.]

Former IA Congressman Jim Leach, who served three decades alongside Chuck Grassley as a Republican, is breaking with his party to endorse Grassley’s Dem opponent
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[Pete F.]

It’s still based on religion, Alito said as much in Rome.

If forced birth believers were really for life the fact that at 17.4/100k maternal mortality in the US is already a disgrace.
The rest of the developed world for example the UK 6.5 and France 7.6.
Within parts of the US we're talking 3rd World levels, Louisiana 58.1, Georgia 48.4.

You think now those numbers will improve?
We’ll be lucky if they don’t quadruple in Red states in the Deep South.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It’s still based on religion, Alito said as much in Rome.

If forced birth believers were really for life the fact that at 17.4/100k maternal mortality in the US is already a disgrace.
The rest of the developed world for example the UK 6.5 and France 7.6.
Within parts of the US we're talking 3rd World levels, Louisiana 58.1, Georgia 48.4.

You think now those numbers will improve?
We’ll be lucky if they don’t quadruple in Red states in the Deep South.
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he said no such thing in Rome. he talked about two different topics

I don’t like the idea of 9 unelected judges getting to decide for all of us, what they think the constitution means. That isn’t any kind of religious argument.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he said no such thing in Rome. he talked about two different topics

I don’t like the idea of 9 unelected judges getting to decide for all of us, what they think the constitution means. That isn’t any kind of religious argument.
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The theocratic Supreme Court just did exactly that
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The theocratic Supreme Court just did exactly that
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No they didn’t
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he said no such thing in Rome. he talked about two different topics

I don’t like the idea of 9 unelected judges getting to decide for all of us, what they think the constitution means. That isn’t any kind of religious argument.
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Yea, he did talk about his belief in the importance of religion and implied that Boris Johnson lost because he commented unfavorably about the radical SCOTUS overturning Roe.
Very difficult to overstate how dangerous this is. A Supreme Court justice suggesting that "secular society" is a risk, that the government somehow favors or even is dependent on religion and believers over others is a step toward theocracy and away from our founding principles.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Yea, he did talk about his belief in the importance of religion and implied that Boris Johnson lost because he commented unfavorably about the radical SCOTUS overturning Roe.
Very difficult to overstate how dangerous this is. A Supreme Court justice suggesting that "secular society" is a risk, that the government somehow favors or even is dependent on religion and believers over others is a step toward theocracy and away from our founding principles.
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again, the court has been radical left your whole life, and you can’t handle the change. i’m sorry.
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[Pete F.]

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell the President…how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote…Today I may be the victim, but tomorrow it may be you.”—JFK 1960
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[Pete F.]

Alito’s argument is that the right to abortion is “egregiously wrong” because it is not “deeply rooted in our history and tradition” and respondents are “unable to show that a constitutional right to abortion was established when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted.”
Here’s the problem with this argument. Women didn’t have any rights when the 14th Amendment was adopted; not just abortion. Women didn’t even get the right to vote until five Amendments later. This in no way justifies ripping rights to bodily autonomy from women in 2022.
While he only expressly targets Roe and Casey in this brief, if the standard for our rights going forward is what is referenced in the Constitution or what is deeply rooted in our history and tradition, then the only rights that are safe are those belonging to straight white men.
Overturning Roe will be an unmitigated disaster for women. It will immediately trigger abortion bans in at least 13 states and near-bans in another 12. It will open the door for states to criminalize contraception, miscarriage, and even medical procedures to save a mother’s life.
And if Roe can be overturned simply because a majority of illegitimate justices appointed explicitly to take rights away from marginalized groups says so, then every civil rights decision will fall by the same distorted standards used to abrogate this near five decade precedent.
Over 80% of Americans oppose this. Think about what it says that Republican-appointed justices feel comfortable essentially invalidating the legitimacy of their entire institution to impose their will, which is rooted in a religious belief that fetuses are humans (they aren’t).
Not to mention that banning abortion doesn’t reduce abortion, it just reduces SAFE abortion meaning more women will DIE during the procedure. Or that access to safe, legal abortion leads to FEWER ABORTIONS and SAVES LIVES. There’s nothing pro-life about any of this. ZERO.
The ancient recognition of a right as a prerequisite to its contemporary acceptance defies the role of the court to be the nonpartisan branch of government that protects the lives, liberties and property of all persons from the overreach of Congress, the President, and the states
As for the claim that we can only respect or uphold rights that are explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, this would invalidate most of the rights we currently have. The majority of our freedoms are unenumerated; meaning they are inferred based on the text of the Constitution
Any conservative who thinks it’s some sort of “gotcha!” to say “show me where in the Constitution it says you have the right to an abortion! You can’t! Ha!” it’s not. You are just very very stupid.
You know what is in the constitution? Slavery. So why do we think it’s sole perfect,handed down from Moses, document?
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