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12-24-2021, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by nightfighter
It will be just like watching January 6... We ALL knew it was coming and who was behind it all...
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Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.
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12-24-2021, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.
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^^^^THIS^^^^^
First time a coup/insurrection ended with a subway ride home for most involved.
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12-25-2021, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.
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Why is Rachel Maddow always the conservatives example ?
Funny most of people professing Jan. 6th wasn’t a threat to democracy and claiming the rest of America is over reacting. Are mostly conservatives funny how that works ..
I find it amazing at the lengths some go to rationalize to themselves and others , the events during the election after the election and the clear coordination by Republicans leaders to overturn the election are some how separate and apart to those who attacked the capital And just not an area of concern
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12-26-2021, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.
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John, I am surprised at your assessment of my post. It did not mention any media member by name, nor did it give such a magnanimous label to the event... The point was that you and I knew there was a confrontation of sorts coming on January 6. We also knew what type of group was coming and who was encouraging them to travel there. And if I knew, why wasn't there a beefed up presence of "security" to support the Capitol Police, who in the end, were the ones who took the hit.
In the Ukraine, the world watched as Putin directed his troops to the border in numbers that would easily support a successful invasion of the country. While I am reading reports of their pullback by the thousands this morning, it does not change the fact that we know who is in charge of those troops and what their intent was meant to be.
Technology has allowed us to see these events in real time. Both appear to be over, but we watched history from our homes as it happened, and were powerless to change or stop it. Yet we could all see the build up in the days and weeks ahead of their happening. Which is the bigger threat? More to the point, which can we have the greater effect on to change the course of history going forward?
Lastly, stupid is too timid, weak, and unassertive a word to describe what we bore witness to on January 6. It certainly doesn't cover the actions I saw by zealots trying to stop the Congress from doing their work in ratifying the Electoral College process. The division in our country is real. But this was a very wrong way to effect change or even gain clear thinking supporters. If anything, it deepened the divide and pushed away many lifelong republican supporting voters.
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12-26-2021, 10:01 AM
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I’ve done a search with Rachel maddow January 6th the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War
All I found was
Right-wing erupts after Biden declares Jan. 6 “worst attack on democracy since Civil War"
One right-wing website angrily "fact-checked" the claim as "false"
Biden ripped for calling Capitol riots ‘worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War
https://nypost.com/2021/04/29/biden-...the-civil-war/
And as if on cue the right can’t accept the truth and this is how they respond.. with their hero Glenn Greenwald .. he is a local favorite of some here
January 6 was worse than 9/11? Or Pearl Harbor?” prominent journalist Glenn Greenwald asked of the president’s claim to Congress Wednesday night used as apparent proof that he was leading the US out of crisis.
“Or the Oklahoma City bombing? Or the dismantling of civil liberties in the name of the Cold War and War on Terror?
“Or the mass surveillance program secretly and illegally implemented by NSA aimed at US citizens?” continued Greenwald, referring to the Edward Snowden expose of government documents he first reported.
“How about the War on Drugs, mass incarceration and Jim Crow? Were those worse ‘attacks on democracy’ than the 3-hour Capitol riot on Jan. 6?
Seems mr Greenwald missed the point! of all that he mentioned the civil war was started by other Americans against the United States of American , and what happened on Jan 6th was an attack by Americans against the United States of American ! In an attempt change an election with the express support and coordination and cooperation of the former POTUS some in his administration and sitting members of Congress ..
All whom refuse to testify or have filed lawsuits against the Jan 6th commission…. To obstruct their findings …. America 1st my arse
Even President Donald Trump said: "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?".
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12-26-2021, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Seems mr Greenwald missed the point! of all that he mentioned the civil war was started by other Americans against the United States of American , and what happened on Jan 6th was an attack by Americans against the United States of American ! In an attempt change an election with the express support and coordination and cooperation of the former POTUS some in his administration and sitting members of Congress ..
All whom refuse to testify or have filed lawsuits against the Jan 6th commission…. To obstruct their findings …. America 1st my arse
Even President Donald Trump said: "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?".
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12-26-2021, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Even President Donald Trump said: "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?".
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But Trump is a liar.
So what do you think about what's going on in Ukraine?
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12-26-2021, 04:13 PM
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hope they got stress balls for Christmas....
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12-27-2021, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
But Trump is a liar.
So what do you think about what's going on in Ukraine?
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I made my case on Ukraine
Trump is a liar … ps who held up the Ukraine arms . That conservatives say the so desperately need .. to get dirt on Biden. Trump the liar
Putin saw his free Ukraine free pass disappear when Biden took office and the US mended or started to mend NATO after 4 years of Trump
Just read the headlines.
the sudden decision to remove 9,500 U.S. troops from Germany by September, a move that sent shockwaves through NATO.
Trump wanted to leave NATO
So now Putin is trying to exploit a fractured NATO before Biden can heal the wounds , But Iam sure that’s all fake news
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12-27-2021, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
I made my case on Ukraine
Trump is a liar … ps who held up the Ukraine arms . That conservatives say the so desperately need .. to get dirt on Biden. Trump the liar
Putin saw his free Ukraine free pass disappear when Biden took office and the US mended or started to mend NATO after 4 years of Trump
Just read the headlines.
the sudden decision to remove 9,500 U.S. troops from Germany by September, a move that sent shockwaves through NATO.
Trump wanted to leave NATO
So now Putin is trying to exploit a fractured NATO before Biden can heal the wounds , But Iam sure that’s all fake news
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Actually, Trump sent more arms to NATO than Obama did, and he did not pull out of NATO, and he persuaded more NATO members to pony up the money they owed and so strengthened NATO. Putin had a free pass to invade and take Crimea under Obama and a weak NATO.
So, what's to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now.
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12-27-2021, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
Actually, Trump sent more arms to NATO than Obama did, and he did not pull out of NATO, and he persuaded more NATO members to pony up the money they owed and so strengthened NATO. Putin had a free pass to invade and take Crimea under Obama and a weak NATO.
So, what's to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now.
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So you think America and nato should have used force to stop Putin when he took Crimea? And should do so if they move on Ukraine ? For what benefit?
Also you think all Trump did to nato was make nato pay more?? To strengthen nato Thats funny he weakened Nato more in 4 years than any previous POTUS ..
Try searching how Trump weakened nato
All lies??
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12-27-2021, 09:03 PM
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There has been a lot of drama surrounding Russian Gas flowing into Western Europe and i wonder if Putin is going to use Ukraine as a bartering chip for pipeline approvals.
Just a hunch
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12-30-2021, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.
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January 6th isn’t about just that day, it’s the entire effort to manipulate fair election results, gaslight the public and undermine confidence in our democratic process. What we’ve learned already from the commission should be alarming to everyone.
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12-30-2021, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
January 6th isn’t about just that day, it’s the entire effort to manipulate fair election results, gaslight the public and undermine confidence in our democratic process. What we’ve learned already from the commission should be alarming to everyone.
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Not to the right, who are trying every which way they can to regain or hold on to power.
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12-30-2021, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
January 6th isn’t about just that day, it’s the entire effort to manipulate fair election results, gaslight the public and undermine confidence in our democratic process. What we’ve learned already from the commission should be alarming to everyone.
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and after the 2016 election when democrats were asking the electors not to cast their votes for Trump, what was that, exactly?
i’m with you on january 6, but i can’t help but notice how, well, selective you are in terms of when you’re opposed to interfering with the democratic process, and when you seem to be fine with it. shockingly, you’re consistently ok with it when your side does it. but that’s just a coincidence.
when elected democrats in the TX state legislature hopped on a chartered jet to flee
the state so that the legislative process could not function, did you call that out?
When rioters stormed the WI state capital because the republicans had passed legislation weakening labor union influence, that was ok with you.
When stacey abrams says her election was stolen, not a peep from you.
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12-30-2021, 04:36 PM
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and after the 2016 election when democrats were asking the electors not to cast their votes for Trump, what was that, exactly?
i’m with you on january 6, but i can’t help but notice how, well, selective you are in terms of when you’re opposed to interfering with the democratic process, and when you seem to be fine with it. shockingly, you’re consistently ok with it when your side does it. but that’s just a coincidence.
when elected democrats in the TX state legislature hopped on a chartered jet to flee
the state so that the legislative process could not function, did you call that out?
When rioters stormed the WI state capital because the republicans had passed legislation weakening labor union influence, that was ok with you.
When stacey abrams says her election was stolen, not a peep from you.
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More false equivalencies
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12-30-2021, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
More false equivalencies
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More as in added to yours.
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12-30-2021, 05:24 PM
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More false equivalencies
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Trump won fair and and square in 2016, and some in your side asked the electors to subvert democracy and cast their votes for someone else.
saying “false equivalencies” with zero support (as usual) makes you look stupid, weak,,and desperate.
the whole idea of superdelegates on the left, is a specific attempt to give the democrats the ability to undermine democracy when they don’t happen to like the results of the democratic process. it’s completely antithetical to democracy. the superdelegates aren’t elected, yet they get to overrule the democratic process in primaries.
try making that even a little bit wrong.
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12-30-2021, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Trump won fair and and square in 2016, and some in your side asked the electors to subvert democracy and cast their votes for someone else.
saying “false equivalencies” with zero support (as usual) makes you look stupid, weak,,and desperate.
the whole idea of superdelegates on the left, is a specific attempt to give the democrats the ability to undermine democracy when they don’t happen to like the results of the democratic process. it’s completely antithetical to democracy. the superdelegates aren’t elected, yet they get to overrule the democratic process in primaries.
try making that even a little bit wrong.
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Pretty simple to make it wrong
There’s no provision for “primaries” in the Constitution.
In fact the current two party system is the founder’s nightmare.
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12-30-2021, 05:40 PM
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Pretty simple to make it wrong
There’s no provision for “primaries” in the Constitution.
In fact the current two party system is the founder’s nightmare.
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ok.
how about the left, after the 2016 election, asking electors to ignore the outcome of our democratic process, the left didn’t like the outcome, so they tried to change the outcome after a free election.
isn’t that pretty much what trump was asking for on january 6th?
have fun with that.
there are democrats in congress today, who objected to states’ electors casting their votes for trump after the 2016 election. but as always, it’s ok when they do it.
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12-30-2021, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Trump won fair and and square in 2016, and some in your side asked the electors to subvert democracy and cast their votes for someone else.
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Couple a Sanders supporters, a few wanted some to go against Clinton also.
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saying “false equivalencies” with zero support (as usual) makes you look stupid, weak,,and desperate.
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No it just means I’m tired of your - I read on a tabloid two years ago and can’t drop it - level of insight.
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the whole idea of superdelegates on the left, is a specific attempt to give the democrats the ability to undermine democracy when they don’t happen to like the results of the democratic process. it’s completely antithetical to democracy. the superdelegates aren’t elected, yet they get to overrule the democratic process in primaries.
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Actually super delegates represented a small minority of overall delegates, but it’s kid of moot anyway as they only use them in contested primaries now.
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12-30-2021, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Couple a Sanders supporters, a few wanted some to go against Clinton also.
No it just means I’m tired of your - I read on a tabloid two years ago and can’t drop it - level of insight.
Actually super delegates represented a small minority of overall delegates, but it’s kid of moot anyway as they only use them in contested primaries now.
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that whole post s a joke.
yes, superdelegates only matter in close primaries. but why not just trust the democrat voters? why do unelected superdelegates get to overrule the results of a free and fair election?
why was it ok when democrats asked electors not to cast their votes for trump? why wasn’t that undermining free and fair elections?
you can’t begin to make that wrong. lobbing baseless insults just proves my point.
everything is ok when democrats do it.
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