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Old 12-26-2021, 10:01 AM   #1
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I’ve done a search with Rachel maddow January 6th the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War

All I found was

Right-wing erupts after Biden declares Jan. 6 “worst attack on democracy since Civil War"
One right-wing website angrily "fact-checked" the claim as "false"


Biden ripped for calling Capitol riots ‘worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War

https://nypost.com/2021/04/29/biden-...the-civil-war/

And as if on cue the right can’t accept the truth and this is how they respond.. with their hero Glenn Greenwald .. he is a local favorite of some here

January 6 was worse than 9/11? Or Pearl Harbor?” prominent journalist Glenn Greenwald asked of the president’s claim to Congress Wednesday night used as apparent proof that he was leading the US out of crisis.

“Or the Oklahoma City bombing? Or the dismantling of civil liberties in the name of the Cold War and War on Terror?

“Or the mass surveillance program secretly and illegally implemented by NSA aimed at US citizens?” continued Greenwald, referring to the Edward Snowden expose of government documents he first reported.

“How about the War on Drugs, mass incarceration and Jim Crow? Were those worse ‘attacks on democracy’ than the 3-hour Capitol riot on Jan. 6?

Seems mr Greenwald missed the point! of all that he mentioned the civil war was started by other Americans against the United States of American , and what happened on Jan 6th was an attack by Americans against the United States of American ! In an attempt change an election with the express support and coordination and cooperation of the former POTUS some in his administration and sitting members of Congress ..

All whom refuse to testify or have filed lawsuits against the Jan 6th commission…. To obstruct their findings …. America 1st my arse

Even President Donald Trump said: "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?".
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Old 12-26-2021, 02:53 PM   #2
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Seems mr Greenwald missed the point! of all that he mentioned the civil war was started by other Americans against the United States of American , and what happened on Jan 6th was an attack by Americans against the United States of American ! In an attempt change an election with the express support and coordination and cooperation of the former POTUS some in his administration and sitting members of Congress ..

All whom refuse to testify or have filed lawsuits against the Jan 6th commission…. To obstruct their findings …. America 1st my arse

Even President Donald Trump said: "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?".
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Old 12-26-2021, 03:42 PM   #3
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Even President Donald Trump said: "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?".
But Trump is a liar.

So what do you think about what's going on in Ukraine?
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Old 12-26-2021, 04:13 PM   #4
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hope they got stress balls for Christmas....
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Old 12-27-2021, 09:29 AM   #5
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But Trump is a liar.

So what do you think about what's going on in Ukraine?
I made my case on Ukraine

Trump is a liar … ps who held up the Ukraine arms . That conservatives say the so desperately need .. to get dirt on Biden. Trump the liar

Putin saw his free Ukraine free pass disappear when Biden took office and the US mended or started to mend NATO after 4 years of Trump

Just read the headlines.

the sudden decision to remove 9,500 U.S. troops from Germany by September, a move that sent shockwaves through NATO.


Trump wanted to leave NATO

So now Putin is trying to exploit a fractured NATO before Biden can heal the wounds , But Iam sure that’s all fake news
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Old 12-27-2021, 10:55 AM   #6
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I made my case on Ukraine

Trump is a liar … ps who held up the Ukraine arms . That conservatives say the so desperately need .. to get dirt on Biden. Trump the liar

Putin saw his free Ukraine free pass disappear when Biden took office and the US mended or started to mend NATO after 4 years of Trump

Just read the headlines.

the sudden decision to remove 9,500 U.S. troops from Germany by September, a move that sent shockwaves through NATO.


Trump wanted to leave NATO

So now Putin is trying to exploit a fractured NATO before Biden can heal the wounds , But Iam sure that’s all fake news
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Actually, Trump sent more arms to NATO than Obama did, and he did not pull out of NATO, and he persuaded more NATO members to pony up the money they owed and so strengthened NATO. Putin had a free pass to invade and take Crimea under Obama and a weak NATO.

So, what's to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now.
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Old 12-27-2021, 02:56 PM   #7
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Actually, Trump sent more arms to NATO than Obama did, and he did not pull out of NATO, and he persuaded more NATO members to pony up the money they owed and so strengthened NATO. Putin had a free pass to invade and take Crimea under Obama and a weak NATO.

So, what's to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now.
So you think America and nato should have used force to stop Putin when he took Crimea? And should do so if they move on Ukraine ? For what benefit?

Also you think all Trump did to nato was make nato pay more?? To strengthen nato Thats funny he weakened Nato more in 4 years than any previous POTUS ..

Try searching how Trump weakened nato

All lies??
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So you think America and nato should have used force to stop Putin when he took Crimea? And should do so if they move on Ukraine ? For what benefit?

Also you think all Trump did to nato was make nato pay more?? To strengthen nato Thats funny he weakened Nato more in 4 years than any previous POTUS ..

Try searching how Trump weakened nato

All lies??
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I didn't render an opinion on how Putin should have been stopped. I asked you "So, what's to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now"?

And opinions on NATO being weakened or strengthened during Trump's administration are prone to being politicized. Here's one for you that's more balanced and says NATO became stronger and it criticizes Trump but says that NATO was strengthened partially in spite of Trump and partially because of him:

http://turkishpolicy.com/article/965...d-the-alliance
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Old 12-27-2021, 05:30 PM   #9
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I didn't render an opinion on how Putin should have been stopped. I asked you "So, what's to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now"?

And opinions on NATO being weakened or strengthened during Trump's administration are prone to being politicized. Here's one for you that's more balanced and says NATO became stronger and it criticizes Trump but says that NATO was strengthened partially in spite of Trump and partially because of him:

http://turkishpolicy.com/article/965...d-the-alliance

Turkish Policy Quarterly is an Istanbul-based quarterly magazine
From 2018 From Turkeys no less
Not sue if you missed theses in the article

Paradoxically Trumps attacks on the alliance are actually strengthening the alliance defenders are coming out the woodwork especially in Congress. Jedi mind trick?

Or how about “ European confidence in American leadership has plunged during Trumps watch

So basically Trumps incompetent behavior and treatment towards NATO accidentally strengthens NATO LOL


The only person stopping Putin is Putin
Risk vs reward

only the Trump fan club think Trumps masculinity kept Putin out and Biden is weak
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There has been a lot of drama surrounding Russian Gas flowing into Western Europe and i wonder if Putin is going to use Ukraine as a bartering chip for pipeline approvals.

Just a hunch
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Old 01-27-2022, 09:36 AM   #11
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There has been a lot of drama surrounding Russian Gas flowing into Western Europe and i wonder if Putin is going to use Ukraine as a bartering chip for pipeline approvals.

Just a hunch
As i was saying……

Ukraine crisis: Nord Stream 2 pipeline could be axed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60151839
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Old 01-27-2022, 10:50 AM   #12
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As i was saying……

Ukraine crisis: Nord Stream 2 pipeline could be axed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60151839
Agreed that this is a huge chess piece, however Putin can play chicken with this pipeline, however, eventually they cant afford to shut it down. Russia is broke, and this is a big source of revenue for Putin visa vie the oligarchs.

Ukraine will also not be a popular war internally in Russia, but Putin may be too far in without backing out w/o saving face....

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