Biden tanks in polls

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The vast, vast majority of the 30 thousand or so Trump demonstrators were very peaceful

The vast majority of BLM protesters were very peaceful but I don’t see you supporting them with that argument ..

I didn't create the mantra of demonstrations being "mostly peaceful." The leftists and their supporting media did and applied it to various destructive left wing riots over the past couple of years. I merely applied the same reasoning to the Jan. 6 demonstration. But I don't see you supporting it with that argument.

I guess it only applies to those you agree with.

I am 100 positive you support what happened Jan 6th and you also support Trumps attempts to overturn the election….

As usual, you're 100% wrong. I am sickened by the Jan. 6 riot. I wish it hadn't happened. And the way something is framed shows motive. That you see it as "Trump's attempts" to "overturn the election" rather than attempts by several people to show that "the election was stolen" (as has been said by Dems over recent elections they lost) shows your bias.

As always, if serious allegations of election malfeasance are made, they should be investigated.

You are like most right wingers you want your outcome by any means necessary . All while claiming to be a great lover of the constitution…. All the while looking the other way while Trump and Republicans try to trample all over it .. calling themselves Patriots
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I have not said anything to warrant your accusation. If you are concerned about "looking the other way" you might want to peer into your own looking glass.

And I know of no greater way of trampling all over the Constitution than interpreting it in a way that will achieve desired outcomes. From what you've said, you seem to think that it is perfectly fine for SCOTUS Justices to interpret the Constitution for the supposed greater good (because times have changed). Such pragmatic interpretation nullifies the Constitution to a mere gathering of words that can mean what a judge needs them to mean in order to allow government to do what its current clan of politicians consider best for us all--which is to say that the Constitution is just a bunch of words judges can manipulate in order to grant government the power to do as it wishes so long as it is for the good as seen by politicians and judges. That is to say that the Constitution does not actually limit government, does not actually guaranty any unalienable rights.

That method of interpretation is one of the "means", as you put it, of getting "your outcome by any means necessary".

[Pete F.]

If there are only a few bad eggs or apples in the police as you would have us believe
Why can’t the “overwhelming majority” fix it ?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If there are only a few bad eggs or apples in the police as you would have us believe
Why can’t the “overwhelming majority” fix it ?
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Maybe it's like the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful, but they just can't fix those pesky few head cutters.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Maybe it's like the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful, but they just can't fix those pesky few head cutters.

exactly. or the small number of bad apples in Chicago that the well meaning folks there can’t fix. but only the cops are problematic for not being able to fix themselves.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If there are only a few bad eggs or apples in the police as you would have us believe
Why can’t the “overwhelming majority” fix it ?
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i guess this is news to you but bad people don’t wear signs. so you can’t always do anything about them until after.

and that you’d say “if” there are only a few bad apples, as if that’s. it irrefutable fact, shows us how sharp you aren’t.
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[Pete F.]

How many cops were present at George Floyd’s execution?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

How many cops were present at George Floyd’s execution?
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that was a crime, which we dealt with.

in 2019, according to the washington post, 9 unarmed blacks were killed by the police. let’s assume every one of those was police brutality ( probably not true, but let’s assume it).

there are over 700,000 police officers in the US. one out of 80,000 killed an unarmed black man in a whole year. now, one instance is too many, but it’s a rounding error, not an epidemic.

One out of 80,000. That’s pretty close to zero.

how many blacks are killed
by other blacks every year in chicago? Hundreds. that’s one city. but the left doesn’t care, because THAT sue doesn’t help them win elections, and that’s all this is, politics. the left doesn’t care, because liberalism contributes to urban violence, obviously.

gang violence and fatherlessness is a million times more destructive to blacks, but we ignore it, because it’s not a politically winning issue for the left.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

that was a crime, which we dealt with.

in 2019, according to the washington post, 9 unarmed blacks were killed by the police. let’s assume every one of those was police brutality ( probably not true, but let’s assume it).
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Actually it says 13 unarmed black people were “shot” by police in 2019. Killings like George Floyd or Elijah McClain wouldn’t even be counted using their method.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually it says 13 unarmed black people were “shot” by police in 2019. Killings like George Floyd or Elijah McClain wouldn’t even be counted using their method.

i now see 9, 13, and 15.

how many cops are there?

and how many blacks are murdered by other blacks? so which is a bigger problem for blacks?

still trying to see how you can call
the capital police officers death a murder?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i
still trying to see how you can call
the capital police officers death a murder?
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I never did call it a murder, but I’d be willing to wager if the attack had not happened he’d still be alive.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually it says 13 unarmed black people were “shot” by police in 2019. Killings like George Floyd or Elijah McClain wouldn’t even be counted using their method.

lest you think that method keeps
numbers too low, it would
include a case like michael brown, who was unarmed but who was posing a lethal threat to wilson. unarmed does not necessarily mean innocent.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

there are over 700,000 police officers in the US. one out of 80,000 killed an unarmed black man in a whole year. now, one instance is too many, but it’s a rounding error, not an epidemic.

One out of 80,000. That’s pretty close to zero.

I’m still astounded that you work with numbers for a living. Most officers never fire their weapon in the line of duty their entire career. Many never even take it out of their holster. Look at the patterns within departments and individuals.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I’m still astounded that you work with numbers for a living. Most officers never fire their weapon in the line of duty their entire career. Many never even take it out of their holster. Look at the patterns within departments and individuals.

right, most never fire their weapons. and if those 700,000 officers were all a bunch of racist assassins, my qualitative skills tell me there would be more than 13 deaths a year.

you can’t agree with that obvious conclusion for political reasons.

which tragedy is more destructive for blacks, police misconduct or back in black violence? which does more harm, and to what degree?

you have fun with that…
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[Pete F.]

Young lady, the police play by rules outside the rule of law
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Young lady, the police play by rules outside the rule of law
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then why is it so beyond rare for them to incorrectly hurt civilians? all those dangerous 911 calls in tense situations, and 15 unarmed blacks killed in all of 2019 in the entire nation? you call that a pandemic? or a rounding error? 700,000+ cops, millions and millions of tense/violent situations,,where is the evidence that they routinely violate the law?

tru answering the same question, tough guy? which force does more damage to blacks? white cops, or black on black crime?
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[Pete F.]

Blacks?
That’s only one part of the games played by cops
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Blacks?
That’s only one part of the games played by cops
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couldn’t answer? odd for a tough guy.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

couldn’t answer? odd for a tough guy.
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Of course in your world, systemic racism doesn’t exist.

A well educated black guy brought up in a white neighborhood told you so.

Or was it Donald Trump?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Of course in your world, systemic racism doesn’t exist.

A well educated black guy brought up in a white neighborhood told you so.

Or was it Donald Trump?
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still dodging.

the most economically successful ethnicity in our country is asians, not whites. there’s racism, not systemic racism. unless you count colleges denying admissions to asians.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

still dodging.

the most economically successful ethnicity in our country is asians, not whites. there’s racism, not systemic racism. unless you count colleges denying admissions to asians.
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Racism may be no more transparent than in an institution with the least representative racial progress like the Senate. There have only been 11 Black senators in roughly 232 years. Clearly, the Senate is the exact space we need people with the courage to say the blunt, honest truth about our nation’s past and present. Only then can we actualize a future where systemic racism does not exist.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Of course in your world, systemic racism doesn’t exist.

A well educated black guy brought up in a white neighborhood told you so.

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this is pretty racist...

[Pete F.]

Just how in your little narrow mind does that make sense?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just how in your little narrow mind does that make sense?
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whose mind is narrow?

i have made it clear that i think both sides are right in different big issues

Please Pete, share with us the big issues in which you agree 100% with conservatives?

minds can’t get narrower than yours. your entire existence is boiled down to liberal=good, conservative=bad, you are incapable of deviating from
that. And when occasionally confronted with facts that dispute that puny mindset, you ignore, deflect to Trump, or launch insults. You have not, and can not, ever conceded that conservatives have any really good ideas on any topic. your mind literally won’t allow it. But Trump!!!!!!!

You have taken the art of humiliating yourself and getting bitch slapped publicly, to evangelical heights. You’re a beaten down, beyond angry, narrow minded bore. And a coward to boot. and you’re too stupid to not keep coming back for
more. You make it so easy to slap
you around, you take the fun out of it. you’re the sad kid at school
who had to eat bugs to get anyone to pay attention to him.
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[Pete F.]

What you wrote was
“if blacks do so poorly in places like the senate, and liberals set public
policy for such a large percentage of blacks, what does that say about liberalism?“

And are they also to blame for the composition of the Republican Party, inside and outside of government?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What you wrote was
“if blacks do so poorly in places like the senate, and liberals set public
policy for such a large percentage of blacks, what does that say about liberalism?“

And are they also to blame for the composition of the Republican Party, inside and outside of government?
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answer my questions, i’ll start answering yours. fair enough?

we passed the equal rights act ( no thanks to democrats). i have good news for you, the war against institutional racism is over, and the good guys won. Find another soap box to preach from.

If the country is white supremacist at its core, why are Asians the most economically successful ethnicity? and if democrats are opposed to racism, why are elite colleges denying admission to well qualified asian applicants? why do the liberal elites want to make sure there aren’t too many asians in campus?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

answer my questions, i’ll start answering yours. fair enough?

we passed the equal rights act ( no thanks to democrats). Have you ever studied history? You apparently missed the chapter on how the south went from Democrats to Republicans i have good news for you, the war against institutional racism is over, and the good guys won. Find another soap box to preach from.
When Black parents worry about their straight-A student’s traffic encounters with the police more than they do a potential accident, this is because of experiences with racism. When a Black couple is about to have a baby and has to think consciously about what hospital to deliver in so they can obtain equitable care, this is racism. When a Black parent worries about their child attending a prestigious university outside of an urban area, this is often because of the racism they worry about them encountering driving to the school and even once physically on the campus of the school. And even more urban universities are not absolved from racism.

Systemic racism is not simply a thing of the past. It is up close and personal in the present.

If the country is white supremacist at its core, why are Asians the most economically successful ethnicity? and if democrats are opposed to racism, why are elite colleges denying admission to well qualified asian applicants? why do the liberal elites want to make sure there aren’t too many asians in campus? Of course in your mind, all colleges are full of elitist liberals.
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Some Asians would dissent

Asian Americans have the widest internal income disparity of any racial group in America: The median Indian American household in America earns $119,000 a year, while the average Burmese family earns $44,400. Twenty-five percent of Burmese immigrants live below the poverty level. For Filipinos, the rate is a mere 7 percent.

Our politics are also diverse. A summer 2020 survey showed that 65 percent of Indian Americans planned to vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 election, 28 percent for Donald Trump and 6 percent said they didn’t know. For Vietnamese, the numbers were 36 percent for Biden, 48 percent for Trump and 16 percent didn’t know. A full 23 percent of Chinese Americans didn’t know.

We, the 20 million, are either poor or we are assimilation machines. Those are the two outcomes.

[wdmso]

Jim missed this More than half of police killings in the US are unreported in government data, study finds

An estimated 55% of deaths from police violence from 1980 to 2018 were misclassified or unreported in official vital statistics reports, according to the peer-reviewed study by a group of more than 90 collaborators in The Lancet, one of the world's oldest and most renowned medical journals.

During that period, non-Hispanic Black Americans were estimated to be 3.5 times more likely to die from police violence than non-Hispanic white Americans, with nearly 60% of these deaths misclassified – meaning they are not attributed to police violence – in official government data, researchers found.

I doubt this will changes Jim’s Mind it’s evidence based and was researched…

But he is all onboard with the AG Garland is targeting white Americans only concerned about their child’s education to protect his SCUM bag daughter and husband selling CRT to schools to corrupt Americans youth

If the country is white supremacist at its core,

Jim you seem to focused on what you’ve been told to think that anyone but the right thinks If the country is white supremacist at its core, it’s what the right sells to people like you , who then believe every world .. but if you took the time to do any objective research it’s fringe elements on both sides who weaponize these topics they yell loud and they get the coverage . And duped Americans see it in a meme or one of their friends said it was happening. And Is all the evidence they need to think it’s True
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim missed this More than half of police killings in the US are unreported in government data, study finds

An estimated 55% of deaths from police violence from 1980 to 2018 were misclassified or unreported in official vital statistics reports, according to the peer-reviewed study by a group of more than 90 collaborators in The Lancet, one of the world's oldest and most renowned medical journals.

During that period, non-Hispanic Black Americans were estimated to be 3.5 times more likely to die from police violence than non-Hispanic white Americans, with nearly 60% of these deaths misclassified – meaning they are not attributed to police violence – in official government data, researchers found.

I doubt this will changes Jim’s Mind it’s evidence based and was researched…

But he is all onboard with the AG Garland is targeting white Americans only concerned about their child’s education to protect his SCUM bag daughter and husband selling CRT to schools to corrupt Americans youth
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there are over 700,000 police officers. the data, and common sense, tells us there’s no conspiracy to eradicate blacks. if you double the 2019 figure spence posted (13) to 26, that’s still nothing when you consider three quarters of a million cops, and how many dangerous situations they’re in each years.

i’ll ask you the same question that
has all the other lefties here wetting their pants.

What’s more destructive to blacks - white cops, or black-on-black violence? yet which gets all the media attention?

and if you consider the percentage of the population blacks make up
in cities ( where most violence takes place), they aren’t killed in disproportionate numbers to whites.

maybe if liberals weren’t so opposed to school choice, more blacks wouldn’t be stuck in these horrible cities? and who runs these horrible cities anyway? is conservatism dominating the landscape in these cities like chicago?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

there are over 700,000 police officers. the data, and common sense, tells us there’s no conspiracy to eradicate blacks. who has ever said there was please tell us who if you double the 2019 figure spence posted (13) to 26, that’s still nothing when you consider three quarters of a million cops, and how many dangerous situations they’re in each years.

i’ll ask you the same question that
has all the other lefties here wetting their pants.

What’s more destructive to blacks - white cops, or black-on-black violence? yet which gets all the media attention? another argument that are not even remotely the same but you don't even try to stop.. you keep making the same intellectually dishonest argument..

and if you consider the percentage of the population blacks make up
in cities ( where most violence takes place), they aren’t killed in disproportionate numbers to whites.

maybe if liberals weren’t so opposed to school choice, more blacks wouldn’t be stuck in these horrible cities? and who runs these horrible cities anyway? is conservatism dominating the landscape in these cities like chicago? another intellectually dishonest argument as if blacks lives are so much better in republican lead areas and your school choice argument is no magic pill it will help more white middle class americans by 20x then and inner city black families.. and thats why you support school choice be honest Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Jim it's very simple when you have Government or authority Killing Americans with impunity with clear disparities based on race there is a problem . but the bigger problem is its accepted by many

And as for you blacks killing Blacks argument what's worse stop the false equivalencies because in the real world the vast numbers of killing and assaults are committed by you guessed it people of their own race whites on whites black on black hispanic on hispanic and asian on asian..

Maybe the article will open your vision on the Topic.. Because I or others on this site did not write it..


Stop using ‘black-on-black’ crime to deflect away from police brutality

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/...brutality.html

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim it's very simple when you have Government or authority Killing Americans with impunity with clear disparities based on race there is a problem . but the bigger problem is its accepted by many

And as for you blacks killing Blacks argument what's worse stop the false equivalencies because in the real world the vast numbers of killing and assaults are committed by you guessed it people of their own race whites on whites black on black hispanic on hispanic and asian on asian..

Maybe the article will open your vision on the Topic.. Because I or others on this site did not write it..


Stop using ‘black-on-black’ crime to deflect away from police brutality

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/...brutality.html

cops kill with impunity? tell
that crap to darren wilson, whose actions were justified in two separate investigations and yet he had to leave the force.

what do you expect to happen when we ask 700,000 police officers to respond to millions and
millions of dangerous situations every year? tragically, mistakes will be made, and some of them will be bad apples who go as far as to commit murder. how do you stop that?

you’re denying that the left is accusing police of being racist assassins, and of routinely engaging in police brutality?
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