Biden tanks in polls

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

there are over 700,000 police officers. the data, and common sense, tells us there’s no conspiracy to eradicate blacks. who has ever said there was please tell us who if you double the 2019 figure spence posted (13) to 26, that’s still nothing when you consider three quarters of a million cops, and how many dangerous situations they’re in each years.

i’ll ask you the same question that
has all the other lefties here wetting their pants.

What’s more destructive to blacks - white cops, or black-on-black violence? yet which gets all the media attention? another argument that are not even remotely the same but you don't even try to stop.. you keep making the same intellectually dishonest argument..

and if you consider the percentage of the population blacks make up
in cities ( where most violence takes place), they aren’t killed in disproportionate numbers to whites.

maybe if liberals weren’t so opposed to school choice, more blacks wouldn’t be stuck in these horrible cities? and who runs these horrible cities anyway? is conservatism dominating the landscape in these cities like chicago? another intellectually dishonest argument as if blacks lives are so much better in republican lead areas and your school choice argument is no magic pill it will help more white middle class americans by 20x then and inner city black families.. and thats why you support school choice be honest Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Jim it's very simple when you have Government or authority Killing Americans with impunity with clear disparities based on race there is a problem . but the bigger problem is its accepted by many

And as for you blacks killing Blacks argument what's worse stop the false equivalencies because in the real world the vast numbers of killing and assaults are committed by you guessed it people of their own race whites on whites black on black hispanic on hispanic and asian on asian..

Maybe the article will open your vision on the Topic.. Because I or others on this site did not write it..


Stop using ‘black-on-black’ crime to deflect away from police brutality

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/...brutality.html

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim it's very simple when you have Government or authority Killing Americans with impunity with clear disparities based on race there is a problem . but the bigger problem is its accepted by many

And as for you blacks killing Blacks argument what's worse stop the false equivalencies because in the real world the vast numbers of killing and assaults are committed by you guessed it people of their own race whites on whites black on black hispanic on hispanic and asian on asian..

Maybe the article will open your vision on the Topic.. Because I or others on this site did not write it..


Stop using ‘black-on-black’ crime to deflect away from police brutality

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/...brutality.html

cops kill with impunity? tell
that crap to darren wilson, whose actions were justified in two separate investigations and yet he had to leave the force.

what do you expect to happen when we ask 700,000 police officers to respond to millions and
millions of dangerous situations every year? tragically, mistakes will be made, and some of them will be bad apples who go as far as to commit murder. how do you stop that?

you’re denying that the left is accusing police of being racist assassins, and of routinely engaging in police brutality?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

cops kill with impunity? tell
that crap to darren wilson, whose actions were justified in two separate investigations and yet he had to leave the force.

what do you expect to happen when we ask 700,000 police officers to respond to millions and
millions of dangerous situations every year? tragically, mistakes will be made, and some of them will be bad apples who go as far as to commit murder. how do you stop that?

you’re denying that the left is accusing police of being racist assassins, and of routinely engaging in police brutality?
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Yes Jim I am denying your fantasy the left is doing all those thing you are suggesting. It’s a Lie no different than all Tump supporters are all into white supremacy .. it’s a good sound byte but not reality but please keep your head in the sand about police brutality or the militarization of police hasn’t contributed to these issues

Poisoning Our Police: How the Militarization Mindset Threatens Constitutional Rights and Public Safety

The result of this militarization—where local police take on the appearance, armament, and behavior of soldiers at war—is that the public is both less safe and less free.

And your unwillingness to see it as a their behavior as problematic is why it happens . And your few bad apple argument is a cop out no pun intended .

I don’t see you using the a few bad apples argument on Black on Black Crime? Funny how tha


impunity.

exemption from punishment or freedom from the injurious consequences of an action.

Seeing you don’t understand what it means in the context of the topic

Here is another.

Qualified immunity is a defense that law enforcement and other government officials can raise in response to lawsuits seeking monetary damages for alleged civil rights violations. ... Critics argue this high bar effectively shields law enforcement from accountability

So please stop looking for questions that have been answered over and over because you don’t like the answers…
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

cops kill with impunity? tell
that crap to darren wilson, whose actions were justified in two separate investigations and yet he had to leave the force.

what do you expect to happen when we ask 700,000 police officers to respond to millions and
millions of dangerous situations every year? tragically, mistakes will be made, and some of them will be bad apples who go as far as to commit murder. how do you stop that?

you’re denying that the left is accusing police of being racist assassins, and of routinely engaging in police brutality?
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Yes Jim I am denying your fantasy the left is doing all those thing you are suggesting. It’s a Lie no different than all Tump supporters are all into white supremacy .. it’s a good sound byte but not reality but please keep your head in the sand about police brutality or the militarization of police hasn’t contributed to these issues

Poisoning Our Police: How the Militarization Mindset Threatens Constitutional Rights and Public Safety

The result of this militarization—where local police take on the appearance, armament, and behavior of soldiers at war—is that the public is both less safe and less free.

And your unwillingness to see it as a their behavior as problematic is why it happens . And your few bad apple argument is a cop out no pun intended .

I don’t see you using the a few bad apples argument on Black on Black Crime? Funny how that works


impunity.

exemption from punishment or freedom from the injurious consequences of an action.

Seeing you don’t understand what it means in the context of the topic

Here is another.

Qualified immunity is a defense that law enforcement and other government officials can raise in response to lawsuits seeking monetary damages for alleged civil rights violations. ... Critics argue this high bar effectively shields law enforcement from accountability

So please stop looking for questions that have been answered over and over because you don’t like the answers…
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim it's very simple when you have Government or authority Killing Americans with impunity with clear disparities based on race there is a problem . but the bigger problem is its accepted by many

And as for you blacks killing Blacks argument what's worse stop the false equivalencies because in the real world the vast numbers of killing and assaults are committed by you guessed it people of their own race whites on whites black on black hispanic on hispanic and asian on asian..

Maybe the article will open your vision on the Topic.. Because I or others on this site did not write it..


Stop using ‘black-on-black’ crime to deflect away from police brutality

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/...brutality.html

and you, like the rest of your liberal ilk here, couldn’t just answer the question. what such a simple question has you all frozen like a deer in headlights, doesn’t that say something about how flimsy your beliefs are?

the left is deflecting on this, not me. desperate to avoid people
seeing that their polices have a direct link to gang violence in cities, they blame cops instead. kiss the cop vote good bye.

the police are the one urban institution that actually works, and the left vilifies them, which always leads to dead cops. the left doesn’t care.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim it's very simple when you have Government or authority Killing Americans with impunity with clear disparities based on race there is a problem . but the bigger problem is its accepted by many

this is some incredible stupidity....

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is some incredible stupidity....

Please let me know how.. I can’t wait
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[scottw]

Quote:
Originally Posted by wdmso View Post

Jim it's very simple when you have Government or authority Killing Americans with impunity with clear disparities based on race there is a problem . but the bigger problem is its accepted by many
this is some incredible stupidity....

Originally Posted by wdmso

Please let me know how.. I can’t wait
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you characterization is incredibly stupid, we don't have "Government or authority" killing Americans with impunity.....and we don't have Government or authority" killing Americans, particularly Americans of color with impunity....and there is no acceptance of this false notion....

honest question wayne, your hate and vitriol toward law enforcement/police is very apparent and irrational...did you have a bad experience at some point, where does this anger come from?

in each of these cases....I ask myself, if I'd done what the "victim" did, would I have had the same result?...in the case of Floyd...absolutely...if I was hopped up on drugs driving around, did something that required the police to be called and the resisted arrest to the extent that they had to pin me to the ground to control and cuff me and I hit my head or in Floyds case,
The police caused George Floyd’s death, but drugs and heart disease played a role, the medical examiner says.
....you can argue the cop was wrong in what he did and he's now paying the price for making a very poor decision apparently but Floyd also paid the price for what were apparently decades of bad decisions including all of the bad decisions HE made THAT day...have you ever tried to restrain someone that was 6'7" and crazy on drugs?

we can go case by case....there is a reason that in most of these cases the police are not found guilty and it's not due to systemic racism and not the result cops driving around targeting people of color with impunity

the Wendy's shooting in Atlanta, was another....if I'd done what that guy did...yup, I'd expect to get shot

if I do something that causes the police to show up and restrain me and I'm uncooperative or give them reason to think I have a weapon or I'm belligerent and resist arrest, yup...I expect bad things will happen to be....

unfortunately we have a lot of people running around making bad decisions and thinking that there won't be consequences

you can go ahead and take that to mean I accept Government or authority Killing Americans with impunity with clear disparities based on race

[Got Stripers]

Wow talk about stupidity Scott or should I say holding the line, you really think he needed a knee on his neck for that long to subdue him? You are the mirror image of that cops mentality with that post. You’d have fit right in where the Celtic legend Bill Russell couldn’t buy a house.

A little history. Back when America was "great," this man couldn't buy a house in my home town of Wakefield, Massachusetts. He bought one in Reading, next door, where one night a band of Americans broke in, stole his valuables, smashed his trophies, and #^&#^&#^&#^& inside the covers of his and his wife's bed. Yes, #^&#^&#^&#^& on his bed. And every game, he stood stoically for the anthem, looking around at thousands of white faces as they boasted of the "land of the free and the home of the brave."
I could live in Wakefield. But Bill Russell, the greatest player in the history of basketball, the man in this picture wearing his Presidential Medal of Freedom, couldn't.
Don't let anyone tell you there's no such thing as white privilege. Don't let any government official, especially a president, tell you or anyone else when it is appropriate to stand, sit, or kneel in protest. And most of all, don't fall for this MAGA bull#^&#^&#^&#^&.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Wow talk about stupidity Scott or should I say holding the line, you really think he needed a knee on his neck for that long to subdue him?
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you don't read very well....

"you can argue the cop was wrong in what he did and he's now paying the price for making a very poor decision"

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

you don't read very well....

"you can argue the cop was wrong in what he did and he's now paying the price for making a very poor decision"

well yeah but if you read between the lines, you’re saying the cop is a hero.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

you don't read very well....

"you can argue the cop was wrong in what he did and he's now paying the price for making a very poor decision"

I read enough to prompt my response, here is what you posted, which suggested the cop was justified.

I ask myself, if I'd done what the "victim" did, would I have had the same result?...in the case of Floyd...absolutely..

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Wow talk about stupidity Scott or should I say holding the line, you really think he needed a knee on his neck for that long to subdue him? You are the mirror image of that cops mentality with that post. You’d have fit right in where the Celtic legend Bill Russell couldn’t buy a house.

A little history. Back when America was "great," this man couldn't buy a house in my home town of Wakefield, Massachusetts. He bought one in Reading, next door, where one night a band of Americans broke in, stole his valuables, smashed his trophies, and #^&#^&#^&#^& inside the covers of his and his wife's bed. Yes, #^&#^&#^&#^& on his bed. And every game, he stood stoically for the anthem, looking around at thousands of white faces as they boasted of the "land of the free and the home of the brave."
I could live in Wakefield. But Bill Russell, the greatest player in the history of basketball, the man in this picture wearing his Presidential Medal of Freedom, couldn't.
Don't let anyone tell you there's no such thing as white privilege. Don't let any government official, especially a president, tell you or anyone else when it is appropriate to stand, sit, or kneel in protest. And most of all, don't fall for this MAGA bull#^&#^&#^&#^&.

expand in that history lesson just a little, please. which party embraced that segregation, and which party fought against it?

and to show how far they’ve come since those dark days, today liberal
elites are denying college admissions to asians based solely on race, and are segregating college students in black-only dorms and having separate graduation ceremonies based on skin color.

Exactly what Martin Luther King wanted!
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

Quote:



you characterization is incredibly stupid, we don't have "Government or authority" killing Americans with impunity.....and we don't have Government or authority" killing Americans, particularly Americans of color with impunity....and there is no acceptance of this false notion...

seem you need a definition lesion like Jim in the context of the topic

impunity.

exemption from punishment or freedom from the injurious consequences of an action.

Seeing you don’t understand what it means in the context of the topic

Here is another.

Qualified immunity is a defense that law enforcement and other government officials can raise in response to lawsuits seeking monetary damages for alleged civil rights violations. ... Critics argue this high bar effectively shields law enforcement from accountability So if your a cop you're a representative of the Government..


honest question wayne, your hate and vitriol toward law enforcement/police is very apparent and irrational...did you have a bad experience at some point, where does this anger come from?

I have no hate or Vitriol towards law enforcement if you recall I did 32 years as a corrections officer and shift commander in a prison.. So I have a ton of experience on use of force and wore a sidearm taser in plain clothes in public Transporting Inmates all over the State .. I do have much vitriol for thoses who see shootings of unarmed people or clear uses of excessive force and staff who knowingly and willing use excessive force.. then excuse it with the line they should have just done what they were told .... wanting Accountability is not dislike for police .. unless your a conservative

in each of these cases....I ask myself, if I'd done what the "victim" did, would I have had the same result?...in the case of Floyd...absolutely...if I was hopped up on drugs driving around, did something that required the police to be called and the resisted arrest to the extent that they had to pin me to the ground to control and cuff me and I hit my head or in Floyds case,
The police caused George Floyd’s death, but drugs and heart disease played a role, the medical examiner says.
....you can argue the cop was wrong there's no argument in what he did and he's now paying the price for making a very poor decision that was far beyond a poor decision but keep up the defense apparently but Floyd also paid the price for what were apparently decades of bad decisions including all of the bad decisions HE made THAT day...have you ever tried to restrain someone that was 6'7" and crazy on drugs? yes I have and guess what A knee on the neck was never allowed

we can go case by case....there is a reason that in most of these cases the police are not found guilty and it's not due to systemic racism and not the result cops driving around targeting people of color with impunity.. its called Qualified immunity


the Wendy's shooting in Atlanta, was another....if I'd done what that guy did...yup, I'd expect to get shot.. what while running away? he had a taser as dangerous as a can of pepper spray so he deserved to be shot ok

if I do something that causes the police to show up and restrain me and I'm uncooperative or give them reason to think I have a weapon or I'm belligerent and resist arrest, yup...I expect bad things will happen to be.... please define Bad things but once you are restrained force is required to stop

unfortunately we have a lot of people running around making bad decisions and thinking that there won't be consequences some are cops or the former POTUS

you can go ahead and take that to mean I accept Government or authority Killing Americans with impunity with clear disparities based on race

Boston police arrested a Black man having a stroke.

Boston police did find Copeland slumped in his car and barely conscious in front of the Berklee College of Music. But instead of calling an ambulance, they arrested him. They wrote in their report that they smelled alcohol,

It was one of a series of errors that night that ultimately led to a $1.3 million settlement with the city, one of the largest of its kind in recent years. https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/10/12...uct-settlement..

Police fired 24 shots at a handcuffed man. Why didn't they turn on their body cameras? PS he was running away they said he had a gun but clearly no in his hands

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-they-n1264887


Sorry Police need to held accountable shooting unarmed people because you thought they had a gun and that's your defense you shouldn't be a Cop..

even in a combat zone I couldn't shoot an Iraqi because I thought he had a gun .. I am sure some did ..

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

even in a combat zone I couldn't shoot an Iraqi because I thought he had a gun .. I am sure some did ..

maybe we should combat train our police so they will better equipped to deal with these situations

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

maybe we should combat train our police so they will better equipped to deal with these situations

Maybe .. sadly many think they are in Combat the dress like it

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

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that was far beyond a poor decision but keep up the defense

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I'm not defending him....I said he made a very poor decision, I believe he is in jail now sentenced to 22 years for murder which is what happens when you make very poor decisions, you can also end up dead when you make very poor decisions....you seem to think he had some ulterior motivation....there were a lot of poor decisions that led up to the results of that day....

WHAT DO ATTORNEYS SAY?

Chauvin attorney Eric Nelson, in a pretrial filing, said Chauvin followed policy and “did exactly as he was trained to do.” The filing included a photo in department training materials of a trainer with a knee on the neck of an instructor playing a suspect.

Prosecutors have already put supervisory officers on the stand to testify that, even if Chauvin pinning Floyd with his knee fell within policy, doing so for 9 minutes, 29 seconds did not.


AFTER THE FACT Minneapolis agreed Friday to ban chokeholds and neck restraints by police and to require officers to try to stop any other officers they see using improper force, in the first concrete steps to remake the city’s police force since George Floyd’s death.