Ukraine

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The only time you see any empathy claimed from supposed conservatives is for the “unborn”
Once anyone’s alive it’s tough love….
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so effing stupid.

conservatives have been shown to be slightly more charitable than liberals, despite being less wealthy.

this is based on data, been discussed here many many times.

how does that reconcile with your nonsensical babble?

you’re a complete utter waste of time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/o...21kristof.html

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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so effing stupid.

conservatives have been shown to be slightly more charitable than liberals, despite being less wealthy.

this is based on data, been discussed here many many times.

how does that reconcile with your nonsensical babble?

you’re a complete utter waste of time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/o...21kristof.html

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Carlin was correct

Brilliant, one assessment that you’ve claimed as gospel for years.

Proof is scarce for your claims
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Proof is scarce for your claims

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this is ironic coming with someone with your claims and "beliefs"

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so effing stupid.

conservatives have been shown to be slightly more charitable than liberals, despite being less wealthy.and much of that goes to their churches and private schools as we've discussed many, many times.

this is based on data, been discussed here many many times.

how does that reconcile with your nonsensical babble?

you’re a complete utter waste of time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/o...21kristof.html

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NM

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

NM

"and much of that goes to their churches and private schools "

And much of what gets donated to churches, goes to help the needy. I'm sorry if that's going too fast for you.

If you remove every cent that conservatives give to churches, what would it show, Paul? Would it show that conservatives don't give anything? Or would it, at worst, show that conservatives are nearly as generous as liberals?

The Catholic Church is the largest non-governmental source of charitable services, in the world, I believe. Giving to churches, isn't mutually exclusive from giving to charity.

And I'm sure plenty of liberal donations go to the massive endowments at elite universities who don't need the money, and aren't spending it to help anybody. But you don't care about that.

Just show me some evidence, any evidence, that conservatives stop caring after a baby is born?

I'll wait.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"and much of that goes to their churches and private schools "

And much of what gets donated to churches, goes to help the needy. I'm sorry if that's going too fast for you.

If you remove every cent that conservatives give to churches, what would it show, Paul? Would it show that conservatives don't give anything?You're reading comprehension sucks. Or would it, at worst, show that conservatives are nearly as generous as liberals?But you're the idiot who constantly states that conservatives are more generous than liberals you idiot, not me or anyone else here.

The Catholic Church is the largest non-governmental source of charitable services, in the world, I believe. Giving to churches, isn't mutually exclusive from giving to charity.Did anyone say it was you idiot?

And I'm sure plenty of liberal donations go to the massive endowments at elite universities who don't need the money, and aren't spending it to help anybody. But you don't care about that. Endowments are used to help keep tuiton down you idiot.

Just show me some evidence, any evidence, that conservatives stop caring after a baby is born?Their actions show it everyday. The idea that liberals want Blacks (and it is amazing how much you focus on blacks here - or use the word "urban" which to you means the same) to have more babies so they can "make" more money off the babies show loud and clear that you are a scummy person.

I'll wait.

Ok here it. When I donate my dues to my church and they paint the walls it isn't benefiting poor people. When I donate my dues to my church and they build a gym it isn't benefiting poor people.

How's that you idiot?

[Jim in CT]

i’m stunned Putin did this, but John R correctly saw it coming awhile ago.

God help those people.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Russia is probably coming this time. Each time RUS flocks to the border they bring more stuff and leave some behind before coming back. Does it happen now (possible) or in late Feb after the Beijing Olympics and Xi goes after Taiwan? Neither are outside the realm of possibility.

I am so glad that the adults are back in charge in the US because they told me this would not happen.

Interesting read; https://nationalinterest.org/feature...ne-time-198365

yup...nailed it

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

yup...nailed it

he absolutely nailed it.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by scottw

yup...nailed it

I also said Xi might go after Taiwan, hope that part is not flushed out.

This is the culmination of a decade and a half of bad leadership. Congress, Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden. This is lack of serious thought by most politicians in Europe and the USA, particularly from the far left that shrugged shoulders and ignored all the signs.

So yes, Obama, the 80s had been calling the entire time, leaving all kinds of calling cards. We'll be lucky to live through it and the world will be vastly different in the next decade.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

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So yes, Obama, the 80s had been calling the entire time, leaving all kinds of calling cards. We'll be lucky to live through it and the world will be vastly different in the next decade.

oh, so you’re a racist….
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

oh, so you’re a racist….
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I'm getting used to being called that. DILLIGAF?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I'm getting used to being called that. DILLIGAF?

You called this before I heard a single person anywhere call it.

I was sure he was bluffing to strike a deal where we didn't let Ukraine in NATO. I was 100% wrong once again.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I also said Xi might go after Taiwan, hope that part is not flushed out.

next....

[PaulS]

And pray for the people of Ukraine.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

And pray for the people of Ukraine.

Yes.

[wdmso]

12\23 I honestly think Putin was going to invade even if Trump won the election. due to Trump losing the election and with that lost went his free pass . He never Feared Trumps reaction. But now a NATO under a unified front he had to change gears . Being out of Afghanistan has only improved the US and NATO position to re deploy Troops and equipment…. And we have not treaty obligations with Ukraine
12\31

Back to Ukraine for a minute why is every conservatives talking head or Congress member cheering for Putin to invade Ukraine? Instead of getting behind the POTUS and show a United front towards Russia, when they know
Biden or Trump would have used force ..

Rep. Budd to Newsmax: Russian Aggression Due to 'Weakness' From Biden

that Russia would not be threatening to invade Ukraine if former President Donald Trump was still in office, attributing reports of their offensive to "weakness in the way that Biden has led."
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1/28 Gotta love the fact that Zelensky told Biden to STFU......that's awesome.

2-18 "Just because there's Russian buildup does not mean that we know or that there is a plan to actually invade," "I think this has just been an emotional push by the Americans

Grenell said Thursday during an appearance on Newsmax's "Spicer & Co."

[wdmso]

Trump told host Laura Ingraham. "In fact, some people are saying, 'Why didn't this take place over the last four years during our administration?' And it didn't for a very good reason and I'll explain that to you someday

LOL

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump told host Laura Ingraham. "In fact, some people are saying, 'Why didn't this take place over the last four years during our administration?' And it didn't for a very good reason and I'll explain that to you someday

LOL

Do you think Putin threw a dart at a calendar and decided to invade on whatever day it landed on?

Or is there a reason in his mind, which makes sense to him, as to why he did it now?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Do you think Putin threw a dart at a calendar and decided to invade on whatever day it landed on?

Or is there a reason in his mind, which makes sense to him, as to why he did it now?

its winter frozen ground good for Tanks no leaves on trees no concealment


But the I see you avoided what Trump said

I am still looking at what actions Trump or Republicans (besides the timing of Sanctions which themselves say wouldn't have stopped Him ) beyond Boots on the Ground would have stopped Him .. we have Trump's answer "Trump calls Russia-Ukraine crisis a 'European problem'" and in 2016 Trump He buys into Russian President Vladimir Putin's ridiculous theory that Ukraine is not a "real country. Ukraine as so universally corrupt that he Trumps paints Ukraine's new president, Volodymyr Zelensky, with this same brush of false allegations
and wait for it Trump didn't want Ukraine in NATO


I am convinced he Putin took these actions because Trump Lost the election . who would have given Putin what he wanted "No NATO in Ukraine " and other security guarantees



These Conservatives Are Defending Russia In Ukraine Crisis—And Trump Leads The Way

://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/02/23/these-conservatives-are-defending-russia-in-ukraine-crisis-and-trump-leads-the-way/?sh=dd2cfec78cf9

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

its winter frozen ground good for Tanks no leaves on trees no concealment


But the I see you avoided what Trump said

So there were no winters in Russia from 2017 - 2021? Because Trump caused global warming, right??!!

Trump is an idiot. Fair enough?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So there were no winters in Russia from 2017 - 2021? Because Trump caused global warming, right??!!

no but Trump was in Office ( And that's the issue because he was in office !)

I am convinced he Putin took these actions because Trump Lost the election . who would have given Putin what he wanted "No NATO in Ukraine " and other security guarantees

Trump is an idiot. Fair enough?

Global warming LOL

[wdmso]

Rudy Giuliani to Newsmax: 'Incompetent' Biden Looks Like 'Weakling, Dope'

no criticism of Putin Playing to the GOP Base

[The Dad Fisherman]

Whatever Paul, you do you
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Whatever Paul, you do you
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and you do you -

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Whatever Paul, you do you
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Originally Posted by PaulS

and you do you -

I thought you guys were claiming to imitate Joe Rogan

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The likelihood and motive has been clear as day for years. I did not come up with any of this but I follow people smarter than me that have been warning of the increasing danger of this since 2008.

It merely depended on a sliding scale of reduced capability of the members of NATO, particularity the US and Germany, and the increased of capability of RUS/PRC. It also required the same inversion of will.

Ding, ding, ding, bingo, yessir, spot on!! If the purpose of NATO is a defense against Russia, then do what is militarily and willfully necessary. Depending on the U.S. military to protect the world, for a host of reasons including the cost and the fluctuating leadership of US politics, is stupid if not suicidal.

Europe, with support from America, needed to be cohesive in a bold face to Russia, investing its superior wealth and potential power as an ugly and frightful face that glared at Russia's threats with a "don't tread on me" or I'll kick your ass demeanor. And BTW, if you want to sell us gas you can disarm and we can do the same and be peaceful trading partners. Otherwise, shove off and crawl back to your commie $hithole and expect self destruction if you eff with us.

No doubt it could have been stated more diplomatically . . . but the message should still have been basically the same stallwart and severe and constant message. And, yeah, Ukraine should have been allowed in as a NATO member long ago.

[Pete F.]

Biden has completely outsmarted Putin. He undercut every pretext Putin cultivated to justify an invasion, leaving the world - and especially the Russian people - without any plausible explanation for the invasion. And Biden unified democratic allies to support Ukraine’s defense.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Biden has completely outsmarted Putin.
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This will be a great comfort to the Ukrainians who got blown to bits.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

This will be a great comfort to the Ukrainians who got blown to bits.

Russian TV is now showing Trump’s praise of Putin to justify their invasion.

Because if only the Stable Genius had won no Ukrainians would have died, Trump would have told them they’d be much better off with a strong leader like Putin

Today doesn't feel like it's gone as Putin wanted:

* Ukrainian defence stronger than expected.
* Massive US/EU/UK sanctions for all major banks
* Stockmarket down 40%
* Protests across Russia (despite thousands of arrests)
* Finnish MPs pushing to join NATO
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