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11-15-2018, 05:55 PM
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Of course . . . if your version of totality hasn't totally destroyed the little gleam of truth, discredit it by using your fake, poop-coated pointer to guide us to the turds in the comment section.
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Clearly you are in the club that see that clip as something to be praised showered with accolades.. which was posted with the those who feel Trump is persecuted as the target audience ...
What I see in the clip is a POTUS doing what he should be doing anyway ..just like those who came before him have .. it's their duty to recognize such things .... he deserves no praise for doing what right to start with.
these events are seen by many as window dressing and hollow gestures.. Because of Trumps endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt for the office in which he sits making such events appear insincere
Trump can only cry wolf so many times ... people have already stopped listening
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11-15-2018, 07:47 PM
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Clearly you are in the club that see that clip as something to be praised showered with accolades.. which was posted with the those who feel Trump is persecuted as the target audience ...
I see it as part of the totality that you are unable or unwilling to see. It deserves no accolades. For me it merely is what it is. Just as Trump's negatives are what they are. I don't consider it necessary to belong to a club to see things as they are. Perhaps you do. Perhaps you're in the club that can only see his negatives . . . and must even exaggerate them and conjure up more that don't actually exist. You likened those posting in the comment section of the video to a cult. Perhaps your club is like a cult . . . of implacable haters . . . or obstreperous Democrats.
What I see in the clip is a POTUS doing what he should be doing anyway ..just like those who came before him have .. it's their duty to recognize such things .... he deserves no praise for doing what right to start with.
To borrow and sort of paraphrase Mark Antony's famous quote in Shakespear's JULIUS CAESAR, I neither praise Trump, nor do I wish to bury him. I only wish to add what is right and just to his story--small bits of reality to add to the exaggerated picture created by those who do want to bury him. He doesn't deserve praise for doing what's right, but he should be given recognition that he does do right.
these events are seen by many as window dressing and hollow gestures.. Because of Trumps endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt for the office in which he sits making such events appear insincere
Yes, those who wish to bury him see it that way. And they do spew their endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt for him as they sit in their self-righteous office of presidential critic where they see nothing about him that is sincerely good.
Trump can only cry wolf so many times ... people have already stopped listening
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Apparently, you haven't stopped listening. Barely a day goes by that you don't post one of his tweets.
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11-15-2018, 11:10 PM
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Apparently, you haven't stopped listening. Barely a day goes by that you don't post one of his tweets.
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Seems like he can’t get enough, probably has a scanner at home so he can go chase accidents.
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11-16-2018, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by detbuch View Post
Apparently, you haven't stopped listening. Barely a day goes by that you don't post one of his tweets.
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Seems like he can’t get enough, probably has a scanner at home so he can go chase accidents.
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seems you 2 dont read the news much Trumps outlandish tweets are front and center no searching required.
Finding todays forecast requires more effort
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11-16-2018, 05:58 AM
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seems you 2 dont read the news much Trumps outlandish tweets are front and center no searching required.
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interesting that whacky leftists spend MUCH more time digesting and regurgitating faux news and trump tweets than your average right wing extremist...the plan appears to be working
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11-16-2018, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by detbuch View Post
Apparently, you haven't stopped listening. Barely a day goes by that you don't post one of his tweets.
seems you 2 dont read the news much Trumps outlandish tweets are front and center no searching required.
Finding todays forecast requires more effort
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I like to be informed Wayne but I don’t read the news much,you are correct. I refuse to live in such a manner. Look at what you have become as a result of your obsession. Trump is in your head 24-7. It can not be healthy but that is your choice.
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11-16-2018, 08:53 AM
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I like to be informed Wayne but I don’t read the news much,you are correct. I refuse to live in such a manner. Look at what you have become as a result of your obsession. Trump is in your head 24-7. It can not be healthy but that is your choice.
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I am just trying to MAGA .. I could easily sit on the sidelines and say nothing ... but where is the honor that .. I have never been as motivated to push back against an administration my whole life .. I wish that wasn’t the case .. but I can’t find anything positive that counters the negatives he’s promotes day in day out
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11-16-2018, 05:00 AM
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Apparently, you haven't stopped listening. Barely a day goes by that you don't post one of his tweets.
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How do know your a conservative snowflake
1st example.. when think others exaggerated picture created by those who do want to bury him. must even exaggerate them and conjure up more that don't actually exist.
Translation Trump is a Victim !! seeing or hearing what he's done or said actually exist. unless your a Trump supporter then they don't actually exist.
2nd double down and blame others for endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt
those who wish to bury him see it that way. And they do spew their endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt for him as they sit in their self-righteous office of presidential critic where they see nothing about him that is sincerely good.
Translation Trump is a Victim but he is really a nice guy ? Who's responsible for Trumps image ... Trump is but just another example of wanting it both ways
like this Thread is it an invading army or is it a caravan of people escaping hardships ... it's clearly not equally both ...
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11-16-2018, 07:36 AM
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https://youtu.be/a5BLdmRKZ2g
https://youtu.be/kRtqQk_O9dM
I could post one for every year
The tweets Trump writes himself are easily identifiable
The comments are interesting
You guys should be defending him there also
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11-16-2018, 09:11 AM
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Your pride and passion is on display on a daily basis. Kudos are deserved for dedication. Trump is sure to provide you with job security in this life mission you have assumed. But you have my sympathy regardless of the impact you surely make for future generations.
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11-16-2018, 04:56 PM
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How do know your a conservative snowflake
When you call me one. I don't care to use that word, or words like #^^^^^^^&, Democrap, Trumpets, etc. But if it soothes your anger to do so, or you're just trying to be funny, go for it.
1st example.. when think others exaggerated picture created by those who do want to bury him. must even exaggerate them and conjure up more that don't actually exist.
Translation Trump is a Victim !! seeing or hearing what he's done or said actually exist. unless your a Trump supporter then they don't actually exist.
I have not claimed that Trump is a victim. I have rebutted things said about him. Your translation is not correct. But that is not unusual for you. Not everything you say about Trump is true. I don't rebut what is true. I try to refute that which I think is not true or is exaggerated or misleading.
For example, in a thread I started yesterday, the first response was that Trump is a misogynist. I made a general rebuttal. Then Pete F., who has said several times that Trump is a misogynist, posted an article that actually and convincingly contradicted that notion. As well, it repudiated other negative things about Trump that are reiterated on this forum and in the MSM.
So, yes, I do believe that many things said about Trump are not true, or are misleading or exaggerated. Whether the misrepresentation is intentional or not may depend on the opinion of whatever type of "snowflake" you are.
2nd double down and blame others for endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt
I don't "blame" you for your endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt. I just point it out. You know . . . that laser pointer bit you like.
those who wish to bury him see it that way. And they do spew their endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt for him as they sit in their self-righteous office of presidential critic where they see nothing about him that is sincerely good.
Translation Trump is a Victim but he is really a nice guy ? Who's responsible for Trumps image ... Trump is but just another example of wanting it both ways
Again, your false victim meme. And how do you translate that I said Trump is a "really nice guy"? At best, that's merely a ridiculous exaggeration. Or, if we use your standard for calling some things Trump said lies, then what you said here could be considered a lie.
And I don't know what your "wanting it both ways" thing is about. I don't dare "translate" it.
like this Thread is it an invading army or is it a caravan of people escaping hardships ... it's clearly not equally both ...
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A caravan of thousands of people intending to illegally cross a border can absolutely be considered an invasion. Invasions are not just done by armies. You can invade someone's privacy. You can invade my space. And it can be an invasion even if it is done by those fleeing hardships. The two things can clearly be "equally both."
And if your claiming that they are escaping hardships, that is not enough to justify asylum.
And in the two videos that I posted of reporters who actually mingled with the caravanners, they found that it was not mostly women and children, but estimated to be about 5% women and children and about 95% men. And that photo-ops were selected by having mostly women and children pose, giving the appearance that that's what constituted the caravan. But, of course, those reporters were just lying. Of course.
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11-17-2018, 08:22 AM
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FYI
current us troops in Afghanistan
US: 14,000
on the border
The deployment, known as Operation Faithful Patriot, will swell the number of military personnel on the border to 7,300 — adding to the 2,100 National Guardsmen who joined thousands of Border agents in April.
Once stationed, the 7,200 troops at the border will equal the number in Iraq and Syria combined.
400 migrants of the Central American migrant caravan arrived in Tijuana Nov. 13, 2018.
and guess how many showed up to confront this invasion
12 border agents several ATVs a few trucks and 1 helicopter
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11-17-2018, 09:05 AM
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FYI
current us troops in Afghanistan
US: 14,000
on the border
The deployment, known as Operation Faithful Patriot, will swell the number of military personnel on the border to 7,300 — adding to the 2,100 National Guardsmen who joined thousands of Border agents in April.
Once stationed, the 7,200 troops at the border will equal the number in Iraq and Syria combined.
400 migrants of the Central American migrant caravan arrived in Tijuana Nov. 13, 2018.
and guess how many showed up to confront this invasion
12 border agents several ATVs a few trucks and 1 helicopter
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Arrived on Nov. 13? Weren't we told that it was several weeks before they'd get here? Fake news?
Glad to see we're as serious about protecting our borders at least as we are about protecting other countries.
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11-17-2018, 09:07 AM
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Arrived on Nov. 13? Weren't we told that it was several weeks before they'd get here? Fake news?
Glad to see we're as serious about protecting our borders at least as we are about protecting other countries.
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The number that’s arriving was also supposed to be thousands strong wasn’t it? Fake news?
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11-17-2018, 09:27 AM
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The number that’s arriving was also supposed to be thousands strong wasn’t it? Fake news?
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Were told that there's thousands more still on the way. But they're not all in one batch. It would be good if this first batch found it difficult to get what they want. That might discourage more.
But if this is going to be a continuous problem, would it not be better if we do the stitch in time thing and seriously stop it now rather than always play politics and keep it going?
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11-17-2018, 09:12 AM
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This is a different caravan. Probably more asylum seekers.🤷🏽#^&♂️
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11-17-2018, 10:01 PM
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Again Wayne, you are uninformed.
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11-26-2018, 12:00 AM
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From your article:
"The increase in the number of people seeking asylum is part of a larger shift in the reasons people give for entering the U.S. at the southern border."
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"today, the strongest pull for people crossing the border without authorization is the desire to be with family in the U.S."
The numbers of "asylum" seekers has indeed risen. And the "larger shift" in reasons for it, as quoted above, is not a valid reason to grant them asylum.
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11-26-2018, 09:02 AM
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From your article:
"The increase in the number of people seeking asylum is part of a larger shift in the reasons people give for entering the U.S. at the southern border."
And:
"today, the strongest pull for people crossing the border without authorization is the desire to be with family in the U.S."
The numbers of "asylum" seekers has indeed risen. And the "larger shift" in reasons for it, as quoted above, is not a valid reason to grant them asylum.
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11-26-2018, 10:04 AM
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We can still tear gas the kids though right?
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11-26-2018, 10:45 AM
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Put yourself as a parent in this situation. If I see or hear of tear gas being used I pull back to protect my children and wait my turn to enter the U.S. legally. No one wants to see kids being tear gassed but Parents/guardians carry the first line of responsibility in this situation.
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11-26-2018, 01:59 PM
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We can still tear gas the kids though right?
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are we targeting kids for tear gas? or using tear gas when rocks are thrown at border patrol agents, which has tragic collateral damage? maybe the parents of these kids, should
not place their
kids near people throwing rocks at US law enforcement.
So you see no unusual
concerns with violence in Chicago, but you have concerns with responding when people throw rocks at american law enforcement officials. at least, that response bothers you, when the POTUS is a loathsome republican.
liberal =good, conservative=bad, no exceptions. Shocker.
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11-26-2018, 02:07 PM
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We can still tear gas the kids though right?
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when the previous administration used pepper spray at the border, did you express concern? or is it only problematic to you, when the potus is a republican?
how about we have one set of rules for what’s acceptable and what’s not, and we apply those rules consistently, regardless of the party of the potus? What do you say?
When obama does it, it’s worthy of the nobel peace prize.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/...order-in-2013/
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11-27-2018, 10:44 AM
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when the previous administration used pepper spray at the border, did you express concern? or is it only problematic to you, when the potus is a republican?
how about we have one set of rules for what’s acceptable and what’s not, and we apply those rules consistently, regardless of the party of the potus? What do you say?
When obama does it, it’s worthy of the nobel peace prize.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/...order-in-2013/
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once again you cant see the forest through the Trees
and justify it with with more whataboutism .. While completely ignoring how Trump has set the table and he has given what they call His commander's intent
The White House has authorized active-duty military troops stationed along the southwest border to use lethal force
Trump himself also suggested that the US troops US-Mexico border could use deadly force and fire on someone in the migrant caravan if the person threw rocks or stones at them.
I have no issue using tear gas to disperse any Mob after a superbowl or on the border but I assure you obama never restricted border agent rules of engagement.. nor did he personally give them the green light like Trumps has .. but it seems those on the right have adopted the everyone's done it... argument ....
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11-27-2018, 11:18 AM
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once again you cant see the forest through the Trees
and justify it with with more whataboutism .. While completely ignoring how Trump has set the table and he has given what they call His commander's intent
The White House has authorized active-duty military troops stationed along the southwest border to use lethal force
Trump himself also suggested that the US troops US-Mexico border could use deadly force and fire on someone in the migrant caravan if the person threw rocks or stones at them.
I have no issue using tear gas to disperse any Mob after a superbowl or on the border but I assure you obama never restricted border agent rules of engagement.. nor did he personally give them the green light like Trumps has .. but it seems those on the right have adopted the everyone's done it... argument ....
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It cracks me up, that pointing out obvious hypocrisy, is a character flaw of mine ( whataboutism), rather than a character flaw of
the hypocrites.
WDMSO, does it bother you that the obama administration also did this? Yes or
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I’d just like a little consistency, that’s all. If that makes me guilty of whataboutism, i could care less.
Rocks were thrown, and as far as i know, no shots were fired despite Trumps order that they kill everybody.
I don’t have a huge issue with shooting people who throw rocks at people we send to dangerous places. there’s an easy way to avoid getting shot to death - don’t throw rocks. How hard is that?
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11-26-2018, 12:03 PM
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300,000 +/- people are caught and deported at the southern border.
Nobody has good figures on how many are not caught.
A wall might cost between 10 and 30 billion dollars, nobody knows for sure other than that Mexico isn't paying for it and the billions don't include maintenance.
Now a 40' ladder is less than $500 and you have almost 2000 miles of border.
Build a wall, I'll buy stock in Werner.
We need a new comprehensive immigration plan and to help the nations that people are fleeing so they don't have to, along with improved border security.
Subsistence farmers facing bad guys and multiple seasons of drought with no crops are leaving because they see no other alternative, it's will likely die or might possibly die for choices in their minds. What choice would you make?
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11-26-2018, 12:08 PM
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Actually I believe a lot of the asylum seekers are small business owners, they’re not poor relatively speaking hence why they’re such a target of crime.
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11-26-2018, 02:34 PM
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Actually I believe a lot of the asylum seekers are Crack dealers, they’re not poor relatively speaking hence why they’re such a target of crime.
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I would not be shocked, you should adopt one.
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