Ukraine

[nightfighter]

It will be just like watching January 6... We ALL knew it was coming and who was behind it all...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

It will be just like watching January 6... We ALL knew it was coming and who was behind it all...

yes...the Illuminati

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by scottw

yes...the Illuminati

Your New World Order is going to come with a cost.... I will be on the side of America, first and always. Not sure where some here stand.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Your New World Order is going to come with a cost.... I will be on the side of America, first and always. Not sure where some here stand.

you heard there are two america's...right?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

you heard there are two america's...right?

When you have Tucker Carlson broadcasting Russian propaganda and all the Trumplicans listening, what would you expect.
The head of one party has spent the past five years pushing Putin’s agenda and his followers blindly obey.
Oh, it’s a hoax, we’ll soon see the results of TFG’s gaslighting and he’ll get another loan
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

It will be just like watching January 6... We ALL knew it was coming and who was behind it all...

Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.

^^^^THIS^^^^^

First time a coup/insurrection ended with a subway ride home for most involved.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.

Why is Rachel Maddow always the conservatives example ?

Funny most of people professing Jan. 6th wasn’t a threat to democracy and claiming the rest of America is over reacting. Are mostly conservatives funny how that works ..


I find it amazing at the lengths some go to rationalize to themselves and others , the events during the election after the election and the clear coordination by Republicans leaders to overturn the election are some how separate and apart to those who attacked the capital And just not an area of concern

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.

John, I am surprised at your assessment of my post. It did not mention any media member by name, nor did it give such a magnanimous label to the event... The point was that you and I knew there was a confrontation of sorts coming on January 6. We also knew what type of group was coming and who was encouraging them to travel there. And if I knew, why wasn't there a beefed up presence of "security" to support the Capitol Police, who in the end, were the ones who took the hit.

In the Ukraine, the world watched as Putin directed his troops to the border in numbers that would easily support a successful invasion of the country. While I am reading reports of their pullback by the thousands this morning, it does not change the fact that we know who is in charge of those troops and what their intent was meant to be.

Technology has allowed us to see these events in real time. Both appear to be over, but we watched history from our homes as it happened, and were powerless to change or stop it. Yet we could all see the build up in the days and weeks ahead of their happening. Which is the bigger threat? More to the point, which can we have the greater effect on to change the course of history going forward?

Lastly, stupid is too timid, weak, and unassertive a word to describe what we bore witness to on January 6. It certainly doesn't cover the actions I saw by zealots trying to stop the Congress from doing their work in ratifying the Electoral College process. The division in our country is real. But this was a very wrong way to effect change or even gain clear thinking supporters. If anything, it deepened the divide and pushed away many lifelong republican supporting voters.

[wdmso]

I’ve done a search with Rachel maddow January 6th the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War

All I found was

Right-wing erupts after Biden declares Jan. 6 “worst attack on democracy since Civil War"
One right-wing website angrily "fact-checked" the claim as "false"


Biden ripped for calling Capitol riots ‘worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War

https://nypost.com/2021/04/29/biden-...the-civil-war/

And as if on cue the right can’t accept the truth and this is how they respond.. with their hero Glenn Greenwald .. he is a local favorite of some here

January 6 was worse than 9/11? Or Pearl Harbor?” prominent journalist Glenn Greenwald asked of the president’s claim to Congress Wednesday night used as apparent proof that he was leading the US out of crisis.

“Or the Oklahoma City bombing? Or the dismantling of civil liberties in the name of the Cold War and War on Terror?

“Or the mass surveillance program secretly and illegally implemented by NSA aimed at US citizens?” continued Greenwald, referring to the Edward Snowden expose of government documents he first reported.

“How about the War on Drugs, mass incarceration and Jim Crow? Were those worse ‘attacks on democracy’ than the 3-hour Capitol riot on Jan. 6?

Seems mr Greenwald missed the point! of all that he mentioned the civil war was started by other Americans against the United States of American , and what happened on Jan 6th was an attack by Americans against the United States of American ! In an attempt change an election with the express support and coordination and cooperation of the former POTUS some in his administration and sitting members of Congress ..

All whom refuse to testify or have filed lawsuits against the Jan 6th commission…. To obstruct their findings …. America 1st my arse

Even President Donald Trump said: "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?".

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Seems mr Greenwald missed the point! of all that he mentioned the civil war was started by other Americans against the United States of American , and what happened on Jan 6th was an attack by Americans against the United States of American ! In an attempt change an election with the express support and coordination and cooperation of the former POTUS some in his administration and sitting members of Congress ..

All whom refuse to testify or have filed lawsuits against the Jan 6th commission…. To obstruct their findings …. America 1st my arse

Even President Donald Trump said: "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?".

Yup
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Even President Donald Trump said: "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?".

But Trump is a liar.

So what do you think about what's going on in Ukraine?

[scottw]

hope they got stress balls for Christmas....

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

But Trump is a liar.

So what do you think about what's going on in Ukraine?

I made my case on Ukraine

Trump is a liar … ps who held up the Ukraine arms . That conservatives say the so desperately need .. to get dirt on Biden. Trump the liar

Putin saw his free Ukraine free pass disappear when Biden took office and the US mended or started to mend NATO after 4 years of Trump

Just read the headlines.

the sudden decision to remove 9,500 U.S. troops from Germany by September, a move that sent shockwaves through NATO.


Trump wanted to leave NATO

So now Putin is trying to exploit a fractured NATO before Biden can heal the wounds , But Iam sure that’s all fake news
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I made my case on Ukraine

Trump is a liar … ps who held up the Ukraine arms . That conservatives say the so desperately need .. to get dirt on Biden. Trump the liar

Putin saw his free Ukraine free pass disappear when Biden took office and the US mended or started to mend NATO after 4 years of Trump

Just read the headlines.

the sudden decision to remove 9,500 U.S. troops from Germany by September, a move that sent shockwaves through NATO.


Trump wanted to leave NATO

So now Putin is trying to exploit a fractured NATO before Biden can heal the wounds , But Iam sure that’s all fake news
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Actually, Trump sent more arms to NATO than Obama did, and he did not pull out of NATO, and he persuaded more NATO members to pony up the money they owed and so strengthened NATO. Putin had a free pass to invade and take Crimea under Obama and a weak NATO.

So, what's to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Huh? Jan 6 was stupid but it was not the greatest threat to American Democracy since the Civil War. No matter what Rachel Maddow says.

January 6th isn’t about just that day, it’s the entire effort to manipulate fair election results, gaslight the public and undermine confidence in our democratic process. What we’ve learned already from the commission should be alarming to everyone.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by spence

January 6th isn’t about just that day, it’s the entire effort to manipulate fair election results, gaslight the public and undermine confidence in our democratic process. What we’ve learned already from the commission should be alarming to everyone.

Not to the right, who are trying every which way they can to regain or hold on to power.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

January 6th isn’t about just that day, it’s the entire effort to manipulate fair election results, gaslight the public and undermine confidence in our democratic process. What we’ve learned already from the commission should be alarming to everyone.

and after the 2016 election when democrats were asking the electors not to cast their votes for Trump, what was that, exactly?

i’m with you on january 6, but i can’t help but notice how, well, selective you are in terms of when you’re opposed to interfering with the democratic process, and when you seem to be fine with it. shockingly, you’re consistently ok with it when your side does it. but that’s just a coincidence.

when elected democrats in the TX state legislature hopped on a chartered jet to flee
the state so that the legislative process could not function, did you call that out?

When rioters stormed the WI state capital because the republicans had passed legislation weakening labor union influence, that was ok with you.

When stacey abrams says her election was stolen, not a peep from you.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and after the 2016 election when democrats were asking the electors not to cast their votes for Trump, what was that, exactly?

i’m with you on january 6, but i can’t help but notice how, well, selective you are in terms of when you’re opposed to interfering with the democratic process, and when you seem to be fine with it. shockingly, you’re consistently ok with it when your side does it. but that’s just a coincidence.

when elected democrats in the TX state legislature hopped on a chartered jet to flee
the state so that the legislative process could not function, did you call that out?

When rioters stormed the WI state capital because the republicans had passed legislation weakening labor union influence, that was ok with you.

When stacey abrams says her election was stolen, not a peep from you.
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More false equivalencies

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

More false equivalencies

More as in added to yours.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

More false equivalencies

Trump won fair and and square in 2016, and some in your side asked the electors to subvert democracy and cast their votes for someone else.

saying “false equivalencies” with zero support (as usual) makes you look stupid, weak,,and desperate.

the whole idea of superdelegates on the left, is a specific attempt to give the democrats the ability to undermine democracy when they don’t happen to like the results of the democratic process. it’s completely antithetical to democracy. the superdelegates aren’t elected, yet they get to overrule the democratic process in primaries.

try making that even a little bit wrong.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Trump won fair and and square in 2016, and some in your side asked the electors to subvert democracy and cast their votes for someone else.

saying “false equivalencies” with zero support (as usual) makes you look stupid, weak,,and desperate.

the whole idea of superdelegates on the left, is a specific attempt to give the democrats the ability to undermine democracy when they don’t happen to like the results of the democratic process. it’s completely antithetical to democracy. the superdelegates aren’t elected, yet they get to overrule the democratic process in primaries.

try making that even a little bit wrong.
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Pretty simple to make it wrong
There’s no provision for “primaries” in the Constitution.
In fact the current two party system is the founder’s nightmare.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Trump won fair and and square in 2016, and some in your side asked the electors to subvert democracy and cast their votes for someone else.

Couple a Sanders supporters, a few wanted some to go against Clinton also.

saying “false equivalencies” with zero support (as usual) makes you look stupid, weak,,and desperate.

No it just means I’m tired of your - I read on a tabloid two years ago and can’t drop it - level of insight.

the whole idea of superdelegates on the left, is a specific attempt to give the democrats the ability to undermine democracy when they don’t happen to like the results of the democratic process. it’s completely antithetical to democracy. the superdelegates aren’t elected, yet they get to overrule the democratic process in primaries.

Actually super delegates represented a small minority of overall delegates, but it’s kid of moot anyway as they only use them in contested primaries now.