Gaining traction?

[Nebe]

We shall see. My point here and I should have voiced it is that I see the economy picking up. Higher wages equals more spending and the fly wheels turn faster.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

We shall see. My point here and I should have voiced it is that I see the economy picking up. Higher wages equals more spending and the fly wheels turn faster.
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If wages rise because th emarketplace calls for that, that's a good thing. If wages rise because the government arbitrarily decides it knows what wages should be, that would likely be bad. Nebe, they can't just print off enough money to give each of us $1 million, it doesn't work.

The value of something, is that which someone is willing to pay for it, not what some activist wishes it to be.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If wages rise because th emarketplace calls for that, that's a good thing. If wages rise because the government arbitrarily decides it knows what wages should be, that would likely be bad. Nebe, they can't just print off enough money to give each of us $1 million, it doesn't work.

The value of something, is that which someone is willing to pay for it, not what some activist wishes it to be.

that's why they're exploring negative interest rates (like in Europe)...sure sign of a burgeoning economy

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

We shall see. My point here and I should have voiced it is that I see the economy picking up. Higher wages equals more spending and the fly wheels turn faster.
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at what point do you need to stop stimulating these economies that you think are thriving?


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...-krona-warning

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/11/fed-c...recession.html

[buckman]

Hillary ended up with more delegates in NH then Bernie I believe . The fix is in . The Democrats don't care about your vote .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

Hillary ended up with more delegates in NH then Bernie I believe . The fix is in . The Democrats don't care about your vote .
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Is that true? He detroyed her in the votes.

The powers-that-be, will never let him get the nomination, and if he somehow got it, Hilary (or Biden or Gore) would run as a 3rd party.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

Hillary ended up with more delegates in NH then Bernie I believe . The fix is in . The Democrats don't care about your vote .
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I looked it up, you are right, because there are 8 "super delegates" who can go with whoever they want, regardless of the voting turnout.

Nebe, how do you like that? Sanders crushes her in New Hampshire, yet he falls further behind her in terms of getting the nomination.

How democratic.

Why bother with the primaries?

Listen to this, from the article..."In the overall delegate count, Clinton holds a commanding lead after a razor-thin victory in Iowa and a shellacking in New Hampshire. Clinton has 394 delegates, both super and electorally assigned, to only 42 for Sanders"

She has almost 10 times as many delegates as he does, despite the fact that it was a virtual tie in Iowa, and the fact that he destroyed her in NH.

Spence? Your opinion on the matter?


http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/10/hi...rs-after-loss/

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I looked it up, you are right, because there are 8 "super delegates" who can go with whoever they want, regardless of the voting turnout.

Nebe, how do you like that? Sanders crushes her in New Hampshire, yet he falls further behind her in terms of getting the nomination.

How democratic.

Why bother with the primaries?

Listen to this, from the article..."In the overall delegate count, Clinton holds a commanding lead after a razor-thin victory in Iowa and a shellacking in New Hampshire. Clinton has 394 delegates, both super and electorally assigned, to only 42 for Sanders"

She has almost 10 times as many delegates as he does, despite the fact that it was a virtual tie in Iowa, and the fact that he destroyed her in NH.

Spence? Your opinion on the matter?


http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/10/hi...rs-after-loss/

It is silly, but super delegates are not new to 2016....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

It is silly, but super delegates are not new to 2016....

How about the practice of undermining the democtratic process, is that new? Has a demeocratic candidate ever gotten this screwed before?

[Nebe]

this is how Sanders explains the current economic situation in this country...

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

How about the practice of undermining the democratic process, is that new? Has a democratic candidate ever gotten this screwed before?

Probably, you may see the same thing happen to Trump....
The system has aspects that suck, but it is the system we have.. Go back to the Popular Vote? Good evening President Gore....

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

It is silly, but super delegates are not new to 2016....

It's beyond silly, it is corrupt to the core. When Hillary wins the nomination ,by the votes of corrupt super-delegates , there should be an uproar in your party .
But the silence will be deafening.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by buckman

Hillary ended up with more delegates in NH then Bernie I believe . The fix is in . The Democrats don't care about your vote .
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Seems you got your outrage Email right on time .. Watch out there are some beyonce controversy email in the pipe line

Some one has already made the point just like Iowa's Coin flip and now Super delegates.. this isn't new .. Just another example have Facts seem not to matter its Just another Conspiracy undiscovered By Conservatives

http://www.pastemagazine.com/article...tablishme.html

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Seems you got your outrage Email right on time .. Watch out there are some beyonce controversy email in the pipe line

Some one has already made the point just like Iowa's Coin flip and now Super delegates.. this isn't new .. Just another example have Facts seem not to matter its Just another Conspiracy undiscovered By Conservatives

http://www.pastemagazine.com/article...tablishme.html

She has 9 times as many delegates. She barely won Iowa, and got creamed in NH. And the guy who wrote your article, says we shouldn't care about that, because up until now, superdelegates have never decided anything.

Here's my question - why do they exist at all? For what purpose? Please answer.

Bernie won NH by the largest margin ever, I believe. And after that primary, he fell further behind Hilary. If that's democracy, I fail to see how, and you can never explain that away.

[Fishpart]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

She has 9 times as many delegates. She barely won Iowa, and got creamed in NH. And the guy who wrote your article, says we shouldn't care about that, because up until now, superdelegates have never decided anything.

Here's my question - why do they exist at all? For what purpose? Please answer.

Bernie won NH by the largest margin ever, I believe. And after that primary, he fell further behind Hilary. If that's democracy, I fail to see how, and you can never explain that away.

Constitutional Republic, not to be confused with a dictatorship of the proletatiat

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Fishpart

Constitutional Republic, not to be confused with a dictatorship of the proletatiat

True, we are a republic, but in a democratic republic, officials are supposed to reflect the will of the people they are supposed to serve (you can take time to laugh at that if you want).

I believe all democrats in congress are superdelegates. Who are the other superdelegates? I presume not all of them are elected, that some are appointed. In which case, they are not answerable to the voters, therefore the voters have zero say in how they vote. That's precisely contrary to everything we were founded upon.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Seems you got your outrage Email right on time .. Watch out there are some beyonce controversy email in the pipe line

Some one has already made the point just like Iowa's Coin flip and now Super delegates.. this isn't new .. Just another example have Facts seem not to matter its Just another Conspiracy undiscovered By Conservatives

http://www.pastemagazine.com/article...tablishme.html

I see you got your, be a condescending ass memo
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[Nebe]

Time will tell
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Time will tell
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said the guy holding the ticking time bomb

here's proof that the economy will surely take a tumble

White House forecasts fastest economic growth in a decade

Published: Feb 9, 2016

[Nebe]

Wow. A lot like NFL refs
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[Nebe]

Who said anything about giving it all away? If I had employees I would pay them fairly. That would mean enough to live on their own..

Apartment, food, a car payment, etc.

If you look at personal income growth it was awesome from ww2 until the 70's and then it slowed way down. And suddenly, poof! CEO's started making tons of money. What started that change ?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

If I had employees I would .......


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....understand the "actual" cost of having employees

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Who said anything about giving it all away? If I had employees I would pay them fairly. That would mean enough to live on their own..

Apartment, food, a car payment, etc.

If you look at personal income growth it was awesome from ww2 until the 70's and then it slowed way down. And suddenly, poof! CEO's started making tons of money. What started that change ?
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"CEO's started making tons of money"

But that doesn't mean that everyone else makes a lot less, as I showed with the Walmart math. Nebe, you are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.

"If I had employees I would pay them fairly. That would mean enough to live on their own..

Apartment, food, a car payment, etc"

Right. If you owned a small restaurant, you would pay your cashiers and busboys enough to pay rent, a car payment, etc?? The economy doesn't work that way, Nebe. There are unskilled, entry-level jobs that are not designed to be sufficient to raise a family on. If we paid everyone $50k a year for every job, prices at every department store would skyrocket, and you'd be complaining about the new high prices.

The problem isn't CEO pay. You now know that.

The problem is we have too many kids whose parents don't encourage them to do schoolwork. If you get C's and D's in high school (and for most kids who do, it's a choice on their part), you are going to struggle. There's nothing unfair about that. There are a small number of people who don't have the ability to rise above menial work at Walmart, and we have an obligation to help those people. People who chose to slack off? Different story. They can work harder and get promoted at Walmart, they can go to school at night, etc.

Gimme, gimme, gimme.

[Nebe]

But to say someone is entitled to pay employees a starvation wage and encourage them to take government assistance while pocketing billions is so mortally currupt. But I can see why you support that from your posting history.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

But to say someone is entitled to pay employees a starvation wage and encourage them to take government assistance while pocketing billions is so mortally currupt. But I can see why you support that from your posting history.
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Nebe, no one has to work there, no one has to shop there. The Waltons figured out how to do retail better than anyone on the planet.

"But I can see why you support that from your posting history."

I want everyone to succeed and be comfortable, I genuinely do. If I had billions, I would happily give 99% of it away. But you can't take it by force.

You, and liberals, have this idea that the wealthy are stealing from everyone else. Not so. Wealth is not finite. Neither the Waltons, nor the CEO of Walmart, are responsible for the fact that so many kids don't do homework in high school, and this are stuck in dead-end jobs. The solution isn't to punish the wealthy, the better solution is to incentivize people to acquire the skills to get a better job than stocking shelves at Walmart.

Liberalism: gimme, gimme, gimme.

White cops are to blame for violence against blacks. The wealthy are to blame for poverty.

Yawn.

[Nebe]

In many cases, people do have to work there. A walmart moves into town and poof. small mom and pop business start going out of business. The double whammy for so many small towns is a home depot and a walmart. You will loose your hardware store, your whole main street of shops could close.. Im talking about very rural towns by the way. Add a Panera Bread and a Chipotle to the mix and you will loose family owned restaurants. Im not saying this is illegal or is immoral, etc, but this is the root problem.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

but this is the root problem.

this is funny...you see a large organization that pays it's bills and meets it's obligations as the root of the problem....I see a large government that can't pay it's current bills and obligations and in fact, is so indebted that it's current track is widely termed unsustainable in numbers unfathomable... as the root of the problem.....you apparently think reducing the salary of the person successfully running an organization as well as reducing the "pillaging" by the owners of that organization which is paying it's bills and meeting it's obligations as part of the solution to the root of the problem.....I think reducing the size and expense and obligations of an organization multi trillions in debt, whose obligations are riddled with fraud, waste and abuse, patronage, cronyism....and whose actors are so entrenched and beholden at the trough that they cannot make decisions in the best interest of the organization as the root of the problem...


your guy, bernie, wants to expand the scope of the federal government funneling trillions more $$$ through it if he is elected....how is that going to improve "the root" of the problem for the federal government? Isn't that like showing up at an alcoholics convention with more booze?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

But to say someone is entitled to pay employees a starvation wage and encourage them to take government assistance while pocketing billions is so mortally currupt. But I can see why you support that from your posting history.
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wake up Eben....http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...nhappy-workers

[Sea Dangles]

This is the Buckman attempt at civil discourse.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

This is the Buckman attempt at civil discourse.
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No , I just get sick of the left being so dismissive of facts
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