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[Sea Dangles]

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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

This is the Buckman attempt at civil discourse.
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No , I just get sick of the left being so dismissive of facts
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

No , I just get sick of the left being so dismissive of facts
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Wait what? That Clinton would get more super delegates? That was known all along, it's how the system works.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Wait what? That Clinton would get more super delegates? That was known all along, it's how the system works.
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It's how your system works
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Wait what? That Clinton would get more super delegates? That was known all along, it's how the system works.
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Please explain how that system of yours is consistent with the principles of "democracy".

Spence, how can you get behind a candidate who claims to be opposed to how "rigged" the system supposedly is, when she is perfectly willing to reap for herself the benefits of being an insider?

How can anyone take this woman seroiusly?

[Fly Rod]

If voting made any difference, they would not let us do it.....

It does not matter if bernie wins more democratic primaries, it is set in stone that hillary if not indited will B the nominee and that's the way it is....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by buckman

No , I just get sick of the left being so dismissive of facts(or anything that disagrees with their world view)
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it's the essential ingredient for membership

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by buckman

No , I just get sick of the left being so dismissive of facts
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The issue with Conservatives facts are they tend to look like icebergs only factual on the surface and the rest hidden from view .. I would rather see the whole iceberg before I conclude the game is rigged


Clinton also led in the superdelegate race in the 2008 presidential cycle and eventually lost to Barack Obama.

If sanders keeps winning states those superdelegate's Most will move over to the person winning the popular votes just like they did in 2008
and if they are arrogant enough to ignore the people's votes they will lose more than the white house

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The issue with Conservatives facts are they tend to look like icebergs only factual on the surface and the rest hidden from view .. I would rather see the whole iceberg before I conclude the game is rigged


Clinton also led in the superdelegate race in the 2008 presidential cycle and eventually lost to Barack Obama.

If sanders keeps winning states those superdelegate's Most will move over to the person winning the popular votes just like they did in 2008
and if they are arrogant enough to ignore the people's votes they will lose more than the white house

Then why haven't the NH superdelegates announced that they are supporting Bernie, in line with the will of their people?

"Most will move over to the person winning the popular votes"

They haven't yet...We'll see. You are speculating. The critics are responding to what the superdelegates are actually saying. They support Hilary, they haven't said their support is contingent upon her winning the popular vote. So it seems like you are comfortable with less-than-all-the-facts, when it suits you.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Then why haven't the NH superdelegates announced that they are supporting Bernie, in line with the will of their people?

"Most will move over to the person winning the popular votes"

They haven't yet...We'll see. You are speculating. The critics are responding to what the superdelegates are actually saying. They support Hilary, they haven't said their support is contingent upon her winning the popular vote. So it seems like you are comfortable with less-than-all-the-facts, when it suits you.

you can google superdelegates and get all the info and the history of them..

last time I checked the primarys are still going on as for comfortable with less-than-all-the-facts, when it suits you.. come see me when the point your insinuating happens.. if Sanders wins the upcoming primaries like Obama did in 2008 and gets the popular vote and the Superdelegates swing it Her Way >> I will join the voices of those outraged.. and as i said the party would destroy it's self ..

Past history suggest what I have said.. Could I be wrong Absolutely But untill it happens is just speculation

good write up http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...llary-clinton/


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

you can google superdelegates and get all the info and the history of them..

last time I checked the primarys are still going on as for comfortable with less-than-all-the-facts, when it suits you.. come see me when the point your insinuating happens.. if Sanders wins the upcoming primaries like Obama did in 2008 and gets the popular vote and the Superdelegates swing it Her Way >> I will join the voices of those outraged.. and as i said the party would destroy it's self ..

Past history suggest what I have said.. Could I be wrong Absolutely But untill it happens is just speculation

good write up http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...llary-clinton/


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

"you can google superdelegates and get all the info and the history of them.. "

I did, found no reason for their existence. Deb Wasserman Shultz tried to explain it on CNN, and even CNN laughed at her response. Any reason why you can't tell me why they exist?

"come see me when the point your insinuating happens"

It's happening, so here I am. Bernie cleaned Hilary's clock in NH, and somehow he fell further behind in terms of delegates. Please tell me how that is remotely consistent with democracy?

"But untill it happens is just speculation "

You are the one speculating, I am the one responding to what has actually happened. Bernie fell further behind after winning NH. You speculate that in the very end it won't matter.

What if Bernie supporters don't bother turning out in subsequent primaries, because they see that it's rigged for Hilary?

What is the downside of doing away with superdelegates? Why even allow for the possibility that delegates who are not elected (and thus not answerable to anyone) to select the candidate? Hmmm? Why not just let the voters decide and just be done with superdelegates? I'm pretty sure I have heard Democrats claim that they are the ones who care about the little guy, and that the GOP is supposed to be the party of inside cronyism. Tell that to Bernie Sanders, who won the NH primary by a record amount, yet somehow fell further behind Hilary. That crap influences voter turnout, and it influences donations.

Have fun coming up with an artful dodge.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"you can google superdelegates and get all the info and the history of them.. "

I did, found no reason for their existence. Deb Wasserman Shultz tried to explain it on CNN, and even CNN laughed at her response. Any reason why you can't tell me why they exist?

"come see me when the point your insinuating happens"

It's happening, so here I am. Bernie cleaned Hilary's clock in NH, and somehow he fell further behind in terms of delegates. Please tell me how that is remotely consistent with democracy?

"But untill it happens is just speculation "

You are the one speculating, I am the one responding to what has actually happened. Bernie fell further behind after winning NH. You speculate that in the very end it won't matter.

What if Bernie supporters don't bother turning out in subsequent primaries, because they see that it's rigged for Hilary?

What is the downside of doing away with superdelegates? Why even allow for the possibility that delegates who are not elected (and thus not answerable to anyone) to select the candidate? Hmmm? Why not just let the voters decide and just be done with superdelegates? I'm pretty sure I have heard Democrats claim that they are the ones who care about the little guy, and that the GOP is supposed to be the party of inside cronyism. Tell that to Bernie Sanders, who won the NH primary by a record amount, yet somehow fell further behind Hilary. That crap influences voter turnout, and it influences donations.

Have fun coming up with an artful dodge.

I can't Dodge your imaginary vision on what you think the out come will be?
If your not voting Democrat I can only surmise this bothers you because you hope Berine will be the nominee so the republicans will have an easier time getting to the white house .. Because as I see it he "Berine" can't win nationally A lot of things influences voter turnout, and it influences donations. winning a white as rice state as NH influences a lot also it cuts both ways