Ukraine

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Even President Donald Trump said: "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?".

But Trump is a liar.

So what do you think about what's going on in Ukraine?

[scottw]

hope they got stress balls for Christmas....

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

But Trump is a liar.

So what do you think about what's going on in Ukraine?

I made my case on Ukraine

Trump is a liar … ps who held up the Ukraine arms . That conservatives say the so desperately need .. to get dirt on Biden. Trump the liar

Putin saw his free Ukraine free pass disappear when Biden took office and the US mended or started to mend NATO after 4 years of Trump

Just read the headlines.

the sudden decision to remove 9,500 U.S. troops from Germany by September, a move that sent shockwaves through NATO.


Trump wanted to leave NATO

So now Putin is trying to exploit a fractured NATO before Biden can heal the wounds , But Iam sure that’s all fake news
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I made my case on Ukraine

Trump is a liar … ps who held up the Ukraine arms . That conservatives say the so desperately need .. to get dirt on Biden. Trump the liar

Putin saw his free Ukraine free pass disappear when Biden took office and the US mended or started to mend NATO after 4 years of Trump

Just read the headlines.

the sudden decision to remove 9,500 U.S. troops from Germany by September, a move that sent shockwaves through NATO.


Trump wanted to leave NATO

So now Putin is trying to exploit a fractured NATO before Biden can heal the wounds , But Iam sure that’s all fake news
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Actually, Trump sent more arms to NATO than Obama did, and he did not pull out of NATO, and he persuaded more NATO members to pony up the money they owed and so strengthened NATO. Putin had a free pass to invade and take Crimea under Obama and a weak NATO.

So, what's to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Actually, Trump sent more arms to NATO than Obama did, and he did not pull out of NATO, and he persuaded more NATO members to pony up the money they owed and so strengthened NATO. Putin had a free pass to invade and take Crimea under Obama and a weak NATO.

So, what's to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now.

So you think America and nato should have used force to stop Putin when he took Crimea? And should do so if they move on Ukraine ? For what benefit?

Also you think all Trump did to nato was make nato pay more?? To strengthen nato Thats funny he weakened Nato more in 4 years than any previous POTUS ..

Try searching how Trump weakened nato

All lies??
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So you think America and nato should have used force to stop Putin when he took Crimea? And should do so if they move on Ukraine ? For what benefit?

Also you think all Trump did to nato was make nato pay more?? To strengthen nato Thats funny he weakened Nato more in 4 years than any previous POTUS ..

Try searching how Trump weakened nato

All lies??
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I didn't render an opinion on how Putin should have been stopped. I asked you "So, what's to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now"?

And opinions on NATO being weakened or strengthened during Trump's administration are prone to being politicized. Here's one for you that's more balanced and says NATO became stronger and it criticizes Trump but says that NATO was strengthened partially in spite of Trump and partially because of him:

http://turkishpolicy.com/article/965...d-the-alliance

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I didn't render an opinion on how Putin should have been stopped. I asked you "So, what's to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now"?

And opinions on NATO being weakened or strengthened during Trump's administration are prone to being politicized. Here's one for you that's more balanced and says NATO became stronger and it criticizes Trump but says that NATO was strengthened partially in spite of Trump and partially because of him:

http://turkishpolicy.com/article/965...d-the-alliance

Turkish Policy Quarterly is an Istanbul-based quarterly magazine
From 2018 From Turkeys no less
Not sue if you missed theses in the article

Paradoxically Trumps attacks on the alliance are actually strengthening the alliance defenders are coming out the woodwork especially in Congress. Jedi mind trick?

Or how about “ European confidence in American leadership has plunged during Trumps watch

So basically Trumps incompetent behavior and treatment towards NATO accidentally strengthens NATO LOL


The only person stopping Putin is Putin
Risk vs reward

only the Trump fan club think Trumps masculinity kept Putin out and Biden is weak
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Turkish Policy Quarterly is an Istanbul-based quarterly magazine
From 2018 From Turkeys no less

The writer of the article is Charles A. Kupchan a Professor of International Affairs at Georgetown University and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. Is that good enough for you?

Not sue if you missed theses in the article

Kupchan gave the "good" and the "bad." Overall, he said that NATO was strengthened during Trump, not weakened. And that, overall, Trump aided in the strengthening. As I said, his opinion is more balanced (as opposed to politically driven opinions).

Not sure if you also missed this: https://thehill.com/opinion/national...vigorated-nato

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

only the Trump fan club think Trumps masculinity kept Putin out and Biden is weak

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so you are saying Russia annexed Crimea because they feared obama...they annexed/invaded nobody during the trump years because trump was a weak puppet of putin and now they are threatening to invade Ukraine because biden is a strong leader and they are terribly afraid...

makes sense to me

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So basically Trumps incompetent behavior and treatment towards NATO accidentally strengthens NATO LOL


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this is your bias screaming....HELP

[Nebe]

There has been a lot of drama surrounding Russian Gas flowing into Western Europe and i wonder if Putin is going to use Ukraine as a bartering chip for pipeline approvals.

Just a hunch

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Nebe

There has been a lot of drama surrounding Russian Gas flowing into Western Europe and i wonder if Putin is going to use Ukraine as a bartering chip for pipeline approvals.

Just a hunch

As i was saying……

Ukraine crisis: Nord Stream 2 pipeline could be axed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60151839

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Nebe

As i was saying……

Ukraine crisis: Nord Stream 2 pipeline could be axed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60151839

Agreed that this is a huge chess piece, however Putin can play chicken with this pipeline, however, eventually they cant afford to shut it down. Russia is broke, and this is a big source of revenue for Putin visa vie the oligarchs.

Ukraine will also not be a popular war internally in Russia, but Putin may be too far in without backing out w/o saving face....

[scottw]

^^^^awwww.....miss you guys

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Agreed that this is a huge chess piece, however Putin can play chicken with this pipeline, however, eventually they cant afford to shut it down. Russia is broke, and this is a big source of revenue for Putin visa vie the oligarchs.

Ukraine will also not be a popular war internally in Russia, but Putin may be too far in without backing out w/o saving face....

It’s my hunch that what we will see is the pipeline magically aproved and then putin pulls his troops away from Ukraine.. but we shall see.