Is this true??

[spence]

Funny, they just reported on Morning Joe the syllabus Carson posted to prove the class existed was from 2002.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

http://thebernreport.com/bernie-sand...mock-election/

Just saw this this morning.
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nothing like a Monday morning chubby

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Funny, they just reported on Morning Joe the syllabus Carson posted to prove the class existed was from 2002.
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True. The CNN claim was that the class never existed. The recent syllabus debunks that. Carson posted an artucle from the Yale paper, written at the time, that discussed the incident in question. Obviously it happened.

Again Spence, I cannot imagine any logic whereby Hilary's lies don't say anything about her qualifications to be POTUS, but Carson's do. There's absolutely no way you can justify that double standard.

Given the atricle in the Yale paper, it would appear Carson was telling the truth.

Given that (1) West Point had posters aimed at black students that mentioned "scholarships", and (2) given that Carson has said many times he never formally applied to West Point, and (3) given that no one but Carson and Gen Westmoreland heard the conversation between the 2, no one can come close to showing that Carson lied about that. At a minimum, it's fair to assume that Westmorland encouraged him to apply, suggesting he would get in, which obviously he would have. If Westmoreland said "if you apply, we'll give you a free ride to college", and Carson describes that as being offered a scholarship, did Carson lie?

The man said we should not have invaded Afghanistan after 9/11. If you want to destroy the man bacause he is such a threat, why can't you do it the fair way, and tell us why his policies would be bad for the country? Liberals almost never do that. It's always personal attacks. It's ridiculous.

You deny that Hilary lied about the sniper thing, when we have video evidence showing she did. Yet you are bending over backwards to portray this black man as a liar. I thought liberals claimed they cared about blacks, and it was the conservatives who were a bunch of racists? Geez, between your desperation to portray this black man as a liar, and the fact that your top 10 states have no blacks, I am sensing a pattern here.

[Jim in CT]

I just heard that Carson confessed to the Lindbergh baby kidnapping, and that he is responsible for global warming.

[spence]

A syllabus from 2002 doesn't prove a class existed in 1969.

Joe was brutal this morning...

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/wat...t-562551875764

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

A syllabus from 2002 doesn't prove a class existed in 1969.

No, but it proves the class existed. CNN said it never existed.

If you think he's lying about this, read the article from the Yale paper at the time. You sound like the conservative nuts who still say Obama wasn't born here.

Spence, any chance you can answer 2 questions? Any chance at all?

(1) Why do Hilary's lies not say anything about her, but Carson's do?

(2) Why do you think Obama has spent tens of thousands of dollars to seal his academic records? There is one reason, and one reason only, why someone does that. There's something in there he doesn't want anyone else to see. And no one in the media digs into what that is. But they are doing a complete forensic analysis of everything Carson has ever said and done. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. It's also undeniable.

My guess on Obama's sealed records - he claimed he was born in Kenya on his application, to improve his chances of getting in and getting financial aid. Liberals, like Elizabeth Warren (aka Apache Chief), like to self-identify as whatever race suits them at the time.

[PaulS]

More but but Clinton.

CNN said that the class never existed bc Carson had the wrong # for the class.

Westmorland was never at the event where Carson claimed he talked to him. And even if he was, Westmoreland would not have been qualified to offer him a "scholarship".

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

(2) Why do you think Obama has spent tens of thousands of dollars to seal his academic records? There is one reason, and one reason only, why someone does that. There's something in there he doesn't want anyone else to see. And no one in the media digs into what that is. But they are doing a complete forensic analysis of everything Carson has ever said and done. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. It's also undeniable.

Just another birther myth, Carson is REALLY desperate to be trotting that out.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Just another birther myth, Carson is REALLY desperate to be trotting that out.

Let's be clear...you are denying that Obama has not released his academic records? Can you tell me where I can see his transcripts?

Also, I see you completely dodged my first question. Why? Why can't you answer?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

More but but Clinton.

CNN said that the class never existed bc Carson had the wrong # for the class.

Westmorland was never at the event where Carson claimed he talked to him. And even if he was, Westmoreland would not have been qualified to offer him a "scholarship".

I point out obvious hypocrisy, Paul. Like when you accuse me of hate, you chastis eme for not being respectfulk to Hilary, yet yo uare free to us eth eterm "teabagger". I guessed i missed the announcement that only you get to hurl insults, my bad.

"Westmoreland would not have been qualified to offer him a "scholarship"

He would have been able to say "hey if you apply, you'll get a full scholarship". Anyone could have toild Carson that, and they would have been rightt.

I don't like Carson. But my opinion is based on his stated policy agenda, not dirt that yellow journalists are slinging.

[detbuch]

http://www.erickontheradio.com/2015/...ec13-266050641

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I point out obvious hypocrisy, Paul. Like when you accuse me of hate, you chastis eme for not being respectfulk to Hilary, yet yo uare free to us eth eterm "teabagger". I guessed i missed the announcement that only you get to hurl insults, my bad.I have done that prob. 4 -5 times in total and it is to get under your skin. Has there ever been anyone else in recent times here who hurls insults like you? POS and FCOTUS! What kind of adult talks like that bc they don't like someone's politics?

"Westmoreland would not have been qualified to offer him a "scholarship"

He would have been able to say "hey if you apply, you'll get a full scholarship". Anyone could have toild Carson that, and they would have been rightt.You're right. But Westmorland could not and would not have offered him a scholarship. Saying you are qualified (and I said he prob. was qualified earlier) and would prob. get in is far different than offering him a scholarship. In fact, he was not even at the event Carson claimed he was at.

I don't like Carson. But my opinion is based on his stated policy agenda, not dirt that yellow journalists are slinging.

How is questioning his statements yellow journalism? Even if he proves everything he has stated the facts clearly don't line up with his statements. Should the press just blindly believe everything a candidate states? It has already been shown that his statements that he had no involvement with the nutritional company where incorrect and his statement that he spoke with General Westmoreland at the event where incorrect.

We're not talking about claiming he was a Muslim and born in a foreign country here w/o ANY facts at all.

[Fly Rod]

How come Spence and Nebe have not made a big deal out of hillary when her lips during one of her campaign statements stated she never signed 'Sensitive Information Nondisclosure Agreement'' when she did sign her 2nd day in office and the agreement came out with her signature last week.....where is the socialist communist left liberal democratic news media on this.....well tell me Nebe and Spence .....

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Let's be clear...you are denying that Obama has not released his academic records? Can you tell me where I can see his transcripts?

How many US Presidents have released their college transcripts?

Why do you want to see them?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

How come Spence and Nebe have not made a big deal out of hillary when her lips during one of her campaign statements stated she never signed 'Sensitive Information Nondisclosure Agreement'' when she did sign her 2nd day in office and the agreement came out with her signature last week.....where is the socialist communist left liberal democratic news media on this.....well tell me Nebe and Spence .....

I can explain it this way...

when Jim insults someone on the left...it's hate

when Paul insults someone on the right...it's because they deserved it...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

How many US Presidents have released their college transcripts?

Why do you want to see them?

mainly because we were told how smart and transparent Obama is and we're still looking for any evidence of either

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

More but but Clinton.

CNN said that the class never existed bc Carson had the wrong # for the class.

Westmorland was never at the event where Carson claimed he talked to him. And even if he was, Westmoreland would not have been qualified to offer him a "scholarship".

I swore this off but I can't take it anymore... Nobody pays for tuition to West Point !!! If he got in it would've been free. I don't think we have any doubt he would've got in. Nor do we have any doubt that he would've been recruited. Therefore he would've had a free ride .. Crawl back in to your Prius
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

I can explain it this way...

when Jim insults someone on the left...it's hate

when Paul insults someone on the right...it's because they deserved it...

and when Scott correct someone's spelling, it is him acting like a 13 year old girl.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by buckman

I swore this off but I can't take it anymore... Nobody pays for tuition to West Point !!! Has anyone claimed they did? If he got in it would've been free. I don't think we have any doubt he would've got in. Nor do we have any doubt that he would've been recruited. Therefore he would've had a free ride .. Crawl back in to your Prius
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Prius - good one.

[PaulS]

But the term "full scholarship" is an inaccurate description, experts told us. The phrase typically refers to a college providing financial aid to allow a candidate to attend a college free of charge, but that doesn’t really apply to West Point’s across-the-board zero-tuition policy, said Antonio Buehler, a West Point alumnus who founded the admissions coaching service Abrome.

"No such scholarship is named, every cadet is treated the same and there is an eight-year military commitment after graduation. Hence, not free," Buehler said.

The proper terminology is "appointment," said Vu Tran, a graduate of the United States Air Force Academy who runs the Denver-based admissions consulting firm Service Academy Coach. But because that’s not apparent from the get-go, Tran says he can’t fault Carson for using the term loosely, albeit incorrectly.

"I can definitely see where parents and students who are beginning the process can misconstrue it to be a scholarship," he said. "But for those who have gone through the admission process and through the nomination process, they would never call it a scholarship."

Carson’s use of the words "full scholarship" is even more inaccurate if he’s describing his own experience, experts agreed. Tran told us it’s conceivable a ROTC commander or even a general would encourage a student to apply to West Point, touting the free tuition, but noted that anyone familiar with the process understands that that’s contingent upon nomination and acceptance.

"(Carson) would not have been ‘offered’ the opportunity to attend West Point at no cost, like all other cadets, until he applied and received an appointment, which he never did," Buehler said.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Prius - good one.

If your dislike for the man is based on him lying about being offered a scholarship ( free ride )
And let's face it you and Spence seem to have a certain glee over this potential problem for a successful black man , then your ridicule is baseless . Are you surprised to find out that nobody pays to go to West Point ? I'm pretty sure you are
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

If your dislike for the man is based on him lying about being offered a scholarship ( free ride )
And let's face it you and Spence seem to have a certain glee over this potential problem for a successful black man
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Of course, it's all race, right?

Carson is running on his personal narrative and character. Being a brain surgeon doesn't provide a lot of direct executive experience. I am not saying he is not qualified, but at best, he has been loose with facts on this narrative.



**Caveat added to every post I make on this election: And yes Jim, Hillary lied about the sniper file to conflate things as well. Yes she probably knew Bill was having affair. Her story sucks as well. It bothers me that all around these are the best we have to offer.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by buckman

If your dislike for the man is based on him lying about being offered a scholarship ( free ride )
And let's face it you and Spence seem to have a certain glee over this potential problem for a successful black man , then your ridicule is baseless . Are you surprised to find out that nobody pays to go to West Point ? I'm pretty sure you are
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I don't think he has a chance for even the Repub. nomination. I don't know why pointng out his numerous misstaments (lies?) he has made means I "dislike" him. His own campaign has now stated that his autobiography wasn't correct as far as the scholarship (free ride) is concerned. His color makes no difference to me.

I know people who went to WP and they never referred to it as having a "scholarship".

[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But the term "full scholarship" is an inaccurate description, experts told us.

I don't think his use of the words "full scholarship" is a big deal, it's just semantics. The more serious issue is a candidate who's running on honesty seems to have made a lot of stuff up.

[spence]

Woa

http://gawker.com/watch-young-ben-ca...r-a-1741070701

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How is questioning his statements yellow journalism? Even if he proves everything he has stated the facts clearly don't line up with his statements. Should the press just blindly believe everything a candidate states? It has already been shown that his statements that he had no involvement with the nutritional company where incorrect and his statement that he spoke with General Westmoreland at the event where incorrect.

We're not talking about claiming he was a Muslim and born in a foreign country here w/o ANY facts at all.

"I have done that prob. 4 -5 times in total "

Oh, I see. So what's the maximum number of times you can use hate speech, but still congratulate yourself on not being a hater?

"it is to get under your skin"

You are failing to get under my skin, believe me. That I point out your glaring hypocrisy, doesn't mean you are under my skin. I point out the obvious hypocrisy, then forget about it.

"Has there ever been anyone else in recent times here who hurls insults like you?"

Sure. I would argue you do. Clearly Obama does ("Republicans gotta stop just hatin all the time"). I only do it, to people who have clearly demonstrated hatred for my side. I don't do fake nice. If someone uses sufficiently insulting, and clearly dishonest, language to describe my side, they have forfeited the right to expect any respect from me. Hilary claims that my side framed her husband to make it look like he was cheating. She claims that my side is waging war on women (funny, since Ted Kennedy has the only confirmed kill in that war). If I describe her as a c*nt, it's because in my opinion, she deserves no better that that from me. If you disagree, good for you. But if you use the term teabagger, you can't claim to a holier-than-thou attitude, because we are exactly alike in this regard. When you feel sufficiently provoked, you use hateful, insulting language. Just like me. Try making that wrong.


"But the term "full scholarship" is an inaccurate description"

Funny. Carson has posted a West Point recruiting poster from that time, aimed at black students, that promises "scholarships". The word "scholarship" is on the poster. And if Carson relies on West Point's poster, he is a liar. Makes perfect sense!

"But Westmorland could not and would not have offered him a scholarship"

How do you know what he "would" do? How could you possibly know that?

"questioning his statements yellow journalism?"

POLITICO claimed that the Carson camp admitted to fabricating the scholarship thing. Carson's camp never made that statement to POLITICO, and POLITICO admitted THEY were lyong when they removed that claim from the headline, but of course offered no apology.

What is the proof that he "lied" about the scholarship or his violent tendencies? No proof, just suggestion.

How about instead of questioning his violent tendencies, we ask if someone with those tendencies is fit to be POTUS? You don't have to invent lies to discredit the man, there's enough truth to do that. But that's not enough for minorities or women who are a threat to liberals.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think his use of the words "full scholarship" is a big deal, it's just semantics. The more serious issue is a candidate who's running on honesty seems to have made a lot of stuff up.

I don't either. It is a minor detail. It was even in some WP publications as someone pointed out earlier.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

and when Scott correct someone's spelling, it is him acting like a 13 year old girl.

"corrects"

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

How many US Presidents have released their college transcripts?

Why do you want to see them?

Here's why - because when the press got ahold of Bush's transcript and McCain's transcript, the left used that information to attack those candidates. I'm not saying there isn't validity in looking at the college grades of a presidential candidate, it's not unfair to do that. But if you're going to use bad grades as a club to beat them with,m then you should at least ASK for Obama's transcripts too. At the same time the press said "OK" when Obama refused to release his grades, th esame press folks were attacking McCain for his grades.

Tell me that's not hypocrritical.

And one of these days, can you just grow a pair and tell me why Carson's honesty is more imjportant than Hilary's? I am answering your question exactly as you asked it. How about showing me the same courtesty?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

How come Spence and Nebe have not made a big deal out of hillary when her lips during one of her campaign statements stated she never signed 'Sensitive Information Nondisclosure Agreement'' when she did sign her 2nd day in office and the agreement came out with her signature last week.....where is the socialist communist left liberal democratic news media on this.....well tell me Nebe and Spence .....

When did she say she never signed it?

Have they found a single piece of information she mishandled?