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10-07-2013, 12:24 PM
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A lot of good points brought up here. I think a big part of the problem with this country is that the people who give a damn are being outnumbered by the dimwitted, self centered slobs who vote for other dimwitted, self centered slobs based on ideas, promises and morals that are totally ridiculous to begin with.
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10-07-2013, 04:34 PM
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Annisquam Assassin
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How 'bout them striped bass?! lol
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Calling fishing a hobby is like calling brain surgery a job. ~Paul Schullery
There he stands, draped in more equipment than a telephone lineman, trying to outwit an organism with a brain no bigger than a breadcrumb, and getting licked in the process. ~Paul O'Neil, 1965
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10-07-2013, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by N.ShoreFisher
How 'bout them striped bass?! lol
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That's why a politics thread was created, hell i actually like reading these as it gives me a better understanding of the otherside,politics isnt my thing.....
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10-07-2013, 06:41 PM
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Sounds like we R on the political thread....should be moved
watching something more educational about apples on Chronicle
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10-07-2013, 06:45 PM
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Ha, didn't know it was the wrong forum 
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10-07-2013, 07:09 PM
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But seriously, how can they legally close open water? And enforce any violations they doll out? Even landowners can't keep the public out of the water in front of their property...
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10-07-2013, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ian
But seriously, how can they legally close open water? And enforce any violations they doll out? Even landowners can't keep the public out of the water in front of their property...
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Good to get the thread back on track.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...part-shutdown/
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10-07-2013, 08:19 PM
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Right now , the Speaker of the House is more powerful than the President. The circumstances just happen to make it that way. The Speaker has lots of options , the President has only two...negotiate with the Republican controlled house leadership or keep the government closed and default on government debt. The President has never made any effort to form alliances with Republican leaders. Its always been "my way or the highway" when he had both the House and Senate. Well now he doesn't and he's still trying to play "my way or the highway". Unless he can negotiate for another card , he has the losing hand . The big question is how much destruction of the USA are these two pig heads willing to allow before they sit down and work things out by negotiating like they are supposed to.
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10-07-2013, 08:50 PM
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Vote them all out. Term limits in the congress and senate as well. Oh and make it mandatory for all children or grand children to serve on the front lines of any stupid wars they wage. I hate them all lately.
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10-07-2013, 09:02 PM
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Not Jack
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While we're at it, let's get rid of that whole "receive a salary for life" bit as well.
This whole thing is just a huge PIA.
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10-07-2013, 09:11 PM
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National Seashore
Well Sat night I fished Coast Guard beach in Eastham. No signs no closed gate no nothing (including no fish for me). I actually called local tackle shops before and there was no mention of any closing of access, prompted by the Cape Cod Times article about the Monomoy closure for clammers.
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10-08-2013, 08:54 AM
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Rangers !!!
Saw two of them driving down the service road Sunday !!!
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10-07-2013, 09:05 PM
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http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/bl...#axzz2gyvIc7ZD
maybe this should be in that forum for the other kind of discussions, up to John. I thought it was about the ridiculousness of closing an ocean.
I don't think it matters much whose fault this shutdown is, what matters is getting it hashed out to reach a solution, and if there can't even be talking about it, the the leader of this country is not leading is he?
half the country is ok with a government that tells them what is good for them, the other half is not ok with it. WTF we are not sheep
WAKE Up America, you too spence.
The country is going down the crapper right before our eyes and we are letting it happen, time to do something about it as opposed to the alternative which may be being placed in holding pens like sheep 
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The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those rights are inherent within you. Rather it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely.
1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!
It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
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10-08-2013, 09:39 AM
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Actually, he is leading. It is leadership to stand up and say that this isn't the way it is going to work. One fragment of a political party does not get to use extortion to get their way. Let the cards fall where they may. He has met with Boehner. Boehner has no control over the crazy wing of his party. What the heck is there to negotiate? If the republicans can get a bill through that ends the health care law, so be it.They can't so they act like female canines. Boehner needs to get some cojones and stand up to the wack job sect of his party. THat is the only solution. |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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10-08-2013, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by zimmy
Actually, he is leading. It is leadership to stand up and say that this isn't the way it is going to work. One fragment of a political party does not get to use extortion to get their way. Let the cards fall where they may. He has met with Boehner. Boehner has no control over the crazy wing of his party. What the heck is there to negotiate? If the republicans can get a bill through that ends the health care law, so be it.They can't so they act like female canines. Boehner needs to get some cojones and stand up to the wack job sect of his party. THat is the only solution.
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Laughable ! Thanks for the chuckle . However it is sad that there are so many that think like this but there are more that disagree with you . Did you forget 2010?
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10-08-2013, 11:06 AM
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Laughable ! Thanks for the chuckle . However it is sad that there are so many that think like this but there are more that disagree with you . Did you forget 2010?
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ok. from now on the dems won't allow funding without $10 an hour minimum wage,35 mpg cafe stsndards, ban on coal plants, ban on semiauto weapons. you may find my post funny. i find tea baggers scary as crap for our future.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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10-08-2013, 11:53 AM
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Did you forget 2010?
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Did you forget 2012? |
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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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10-08-2013, 10:15 AM
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I love the title of that article Spence: "Did Obama shut down the ocean as part of the shutdown?"
I still can't believe they can enforce this kind of shutdown? In Florida is the ocean considered national park-ish with regular federal presence patrolling? I guess I could see it then...
This also kinda smells like an attempt to blow something out of proportion.. oh wait.. I found this in Spence's link:
"Effective at 6 p.m. on Oct. 1, 2013, both Everglades and Dry Tortugas National Parks will be closed. While our law enforcement rangers will remain on duty, all other administrative activities and visitor services will be discontinued until the shutdown has been lifted. If you have a trip planned for Oct. 1, you must conclude your business within the park by 6 p.m. After today, you may not offer any services within the park's boundaries until further notice. We regret the burden that this will place on your livelihood. We will notify you when the park is reopened."
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The artist formerly known as Scratch59.
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10-08-2013, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Ian
"Effective at 6 p.m. on Oct. 1, 2013, both Everglades and Dry Tortugas National Parks will be closed. While our law enforcement rangers will remain on duty, all other administrative activities and visitor services will be discontinued until the shutdown has been lifted. If you have a trip planned for Oct. 1, you must conclude your business within the park by 6 p.m. After today, you may not offer any services within the park's boundaries until further notice. We regret the burden that this will place on your livelihood. We will notify you when the park is reopened."
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I think the nut is the ocean is open but the park is closed. Remember the context for the link was the blogging about the story.
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10-08-2013, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Ian
I still can't believe they can enforce this kind of shutdown? In Florida is the ocean considered national park-ish with regular federal presence patrolling? I guess I could see it then...
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The areas in question, yes. Poaching is a huge issue. More than with striped bass up here. |
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10-08-2013, 11:10 AM
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Who can survive on $10 an hour anyway? I couldn't.
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10-08-2013, 11:17 AM
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Annisquam Assassin
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Who can survive on $10 an hour anyway? I couldn't.
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I did, and it's not that fun. So I'm confused, is ALL activity on that area of ocean closed to boaters and swimmers? Or is it closed to commercial jobs? I wasn't sure. Because to me, there would be no way to keep regular people off the water, but maybe those services tied into the government, I could see. I'm not in agreement with any of this btw, just curious. |
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There he stands, draped in more equipment than a telephone lineman, trying to outwit an organism with a brain no bigger than a breadcrumb, and getting licked in the process. ~Paul O'Neil, 1965
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10-08-2013, 01:05 PM
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Wow, how did I miss this for so long......I Cast Ye Off to the the Pit of Despair
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10-08-2013, 02:20 PM
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Rotfl!!!!
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10-08-2013, 02:24 PM
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To me the tea party is full of a bunch of middle class blue collar small business owners who think that they are a hell of a lot wealthier than they really are and who think that they are the ones who are being screwed by government and it's hand outs to the poor. But in reality they are being #^&#^&#^&#^&ed sideways by the 1% who actually run this country and who are using the tea party as a tool to distract from the real problem. The big lie.
The big problem is that corporate America has everything made over seas. Millions of Americans manufacturing jobs are gone. They need help and when they go to the government looking for help, they are looked at by a lot of Americans as freeloaders.
Address the main problem. Our back bone has been broken.
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10-08-2013, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
To me the tea party is full of a bunch of middle class blue collar small business owners who think that they are a hell of a lot wealthier than they really are and who think that they are the ones who are being screwed by government and it's hand outs to the poor. But in reality they are being #^&#^&#^&#^&ed sideways by the 1% who actually run this country and who are using the tea party as a tool to distract from the real problem. The big lie.
The big problem is that corporate America has everything made over seas. Millions of Americans manufacturing jobs are gone. They need help and when they go to the government looking for help, they are looked at by a lot of Americans as freeloaders.
Address the main problem. Our back bone has been broken.
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hey Eben, if you could conveniently remove these people, those that are left that espouse our founding principles the principles from TDF's sources, just imagine our debt, spending, expanding social programs, economy without the pushback...do you ever consider that? Our back is broken by unsustainable debt and overwhelming unfunded obligations and a sick desire by those running things to control every aspect of American life, they have the tools now...you aren't getting your freedom back.....you might think you are free but you are a slave to the bureaucracy now, and it will get worse because the debt isn't going away and those that are expecting those obligations have the power to demand it....and many say in Europe..."you can get by, but you can't get ahead".....
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10-08-2013, 06:10 PM
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Scott. I don't agree with either side.
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10-08-2013, 08:38 PM
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Scott. I don't agree with either side.
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it's not about agreeing with one side or the other Eben, it's about recognizing that the Progressive Democrats are on a steady march toward big...no huge government statism, the rest of the democrats and a large number of republicans are on a slightly slower march toward big government...the indebtedness and unfunded liabilities that we are drowning in are the result of big government programs that were poorly conceived, mismanaged and corrupted by the same people that we've now given discretion and authority over our healthcare system (expecting different results?????)...these people cannot even pass a budget!!! the only faction of either party that is calling for fiscal sanity and a return the governing principles that established this republic are those that you refer to broadly as "To me the tea party is full of a bunch of middle class blue collar small business owners who think that they are a hell of a lot wealthier than they really are and who think that they are the ones who are being screwed by government"......got news for ya.....the regulatory state is screwing these businesses, government and those that support it's expansion or live at it's trough don't have much compassion for those that toil to fund it and them....the jobs that you complain have gone overseas are never coming back and even more will leave as the regulatory state expands and the desire to try to maintain a business with the government breathing down your neck constantly becomes less attractive.....
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10-08-2013, 08:45 PM
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Scott all I know is that the tea party points fingers at big government and the poor as a big problem. The bigger problem is the fact that there are so many good jobs that are now gone. Outsourced. Poof. Just think what this country would be like if that never happened. Who's to blame for that??
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10-08-2013, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
Scott all I know is that the tea party points fingers at big government and the poor as a big problem. The bigger problem is the fact that there are so many good jobs that are now gone. Outsourced. Poof. Just think what this country would be like if that never happened. Who's to blame for that??
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the Tea Party "points fingers at the poor as a big problem"...need to digest that one for a bit.....Eben..if you are working at your studio and maybe have a few employees and you discover that your local government is going to determine what you must pay your employees and what benefits you must provide and what they must include and raise your taxes and taxes on your sales and mail you new regulations to comply with on a regular basis and fine you for non-compliance on an arbitrary basis and you learn that you can relocate your business and avoid much of this are your really going to stay? it's why businesses relocate within the country and why businesses relocated off our shores...blame the busy bodies that think the purpose of government is to micro manage every aspect of life and business and who think their purpose is to dream up new and novel legislation, necessary or not to fix existent or non-existent problems to justify their own existence....whatever problems you want to cite or attribute to the private sector in terms of corruption, fraud, nepotism, favoritism and criminal behavior etc. pales in comparison to that which exists in the structures of government and public sector...and the products that the government apparently best produces are debt and dependence ....you are barking up the wrong tree
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