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[spence]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

He's dug his heels in and has said he will not negotiate. That is NOT the type of leader this country has counted on for 230 plus years. His trump card did not bring a conciliatory offer from the other side and now it's a game of who will blink first. Americans who voted for him to be in this office get what they deserve, an incompetent figurehead...

Actually, I believe the House and Senate dems have tried to get the budget talks into conference 20 times over the past six months in efforts to negotiate.

Instead the GOP killed all attempts up until last week after pushing the House bill through, so they can use the shutdown as leverage.

Right now, it looks like there's enough support get a clean bill through and end the standoff, yet Bohner won't put it to the floor.

Who's the problem again?
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[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually, I believe the House and Senate dems have tried to get the budget talks into conference 20 times over the past six months in efforts to negotiate.

Instead the GOP killed all attempts up until last week after pushing the House bill through, so they can use the shutdown as leverage.

Right now, it looks like there's enough support get a clean bill through and end the standoff, yet Bohner won't put it to the floor.

Who's the problem again?
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They all are the problem. Boehner doesn't represent me, and has actually alienated me almost to the point that Newt did.... Both sides at fault. But one side is in the leadership position. Wishing there were leaders who would sit down and get it done, as Tip and Reagan used to do behind closed doors....despite their polar differences. Two leaders, who could lead. And their parties would follow their lead.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Two leaders, who could lead. And their parties would follow their lead.

How would that go? Ok, Boehner, tea party wants to connect this budget to the unrelated affordable care act, we'll negotiate. Assault weapon ban for 1 year delay of Obamacare? This is a stupid and unprecedented case of extortion. The government may never work again if this is how the parties deal with these issues going forward. As of Wednesday there were 5 republican congressmen in Philadelphia area districts alone calling for a vote on a clean bill. They can't even get their own party to allow a vote. The only reason the government is shutdown is because Boehner lost his sack and as a result the National seashores get closed. This is the main forum, right