NRA

[TheSpecialist]

Looks like the Dems may not have enough votes to pass the ban... Some Dems are bailing because they know this will do nothing...

[spence]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Looks like the Dems may not have enough votes to pass the ban... Some Dems are bailing because they know this will do nothing...

I think the real goal is to toughen up background checks more than anything else. There shouldn't be much opposition to closing the gun show loopholes etc...

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the real goal is to toughen up background checks more than anything else. There shouldn't be much opposition to closing the gun show loopholes etc...

-spence

I thought the "real goal" was to stop the kind of recent violence that has prompted the latest call for action, how would what you mention as the "real goal" have stopped that violence? And if it wouldn't, how can we believe anything that you state? Pretty shameless and offensive if your "real goal" has nothing to do with your stated motivation, particularly when it involves little children....makes you really wonder about the "real goal" and "real motivation"

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

I thought the "real goal" was to stop the kind of recent violence that has prompted the latest call for action, how would what you mention as the "real goal" have stopped that violence? And if it wouldn't, how can we believe anything that you state? Pretty shameless and offensive if your "real goal" has nothing to do with your stated motivation, particularly when it involves little children....makes you really wonder about the "real goal" and "real motivation"

Real goal as in what they think they can accomplish. I think large cap mags they could probably get passed also. The full Feinstein proposal will be more challenging.

You did sound so passionate and genuine though. Thanks for caring.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Real goal as in what they think they can accomplish. I think large cap mags they could probably get passed also. The full Feinstein proposal will be more challenging.

You did sound so passionate and genuine though. Thanks for caring.

-spence

you've really got your sneer on today...

add large cap mags to the list(tougher background checks and close gun show loopholes) and tell me which of the "real goals as in what they think they can accomplish" would have prevented the incidents that they/you are attempting to build your/their case with?

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

you've really got your sneer on today...

add large cap mags to the list and tell me which of the "real goals as in what they think they can accomplish" would have prevented the incidents that they/you are attempting to build your/their case with?

This isn't about a single event, nor does it mean that there's a desire to restrict assault weapons by many.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

This isn't about a single event, nor does it mean that there's a desire to restrict assault weapons by many.

-spence

BS

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by spence

This isn't about a single event, nor does it mean that there's a desire to restrict assault weapons by many.

-spence

Again you are correct, since Feinstein has been telling everyone since last summer she was going to reintroduce this legislation once Obama started a 2nd term..

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Real goal as in what they think they can accomplish.

-spence

That implies that there is a larger goal which they do not think they can accomplish now. Perhaps later. After they make incremental "accomplishments" along the way.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

That implies that there is a larger goal which they do not think they can accomplish now. Perhaps later. After they make incremental "accomplishments" along the way.

This assumes a collective agreement to seek the ban on all guns, I don't think there's any evidence that more than a tiny fraction of people (perhaps as small as Little Cats X, Y and Z) who really seek this aim. I don't believe President Obama even cares to tread here.

-spence

[spence]

Wait, I thought this had nothing to do with his kids...now even their own lobbyist agrees??????

NRA lobbyist: Pro-gun ad referring to Obama's children 'ill-advised' - U.S. News

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

This assumes a collective agreement to seek the ban on all guns, I don't think there's any evidence that more than a tiny fraction of people (perhaps as small as Little Cats X, Y and Z) who really seek this aim. I don't believe President Obama even cares to tread here.

-spence

If the real goal was not to stop or diminish gun violence like that of Newtown, why did they use that as the springboard to this new goal of doing what they think they can accomplish? Are they trying to accomplish simply for the sake of accomplishing? Is it merely gathering a feather in their cap? To demonstrate that they are able to "accomplish?" Are they trying to limit large caps and create tighter background checks for no other reason than to limit large caps and create tighter background checks? Very convincing.

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the real goal is to toughen up background checks more than anything else. There shouldn't be much opposition to closing the gun show loopholes etc...

-spence

You wont get any argument here, but down south , they will have a problem with that.

Did I tell you that my grandfather was a cobbler?

[spence]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Did I tell you that my grandfather was a cobbler?

-spence