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Old 01-22-2013, 01:40 PM   #1
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Newt remarked that aside from a few lines he thought it was a very good and American address.

I haven't seen it but did any of you?
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:59 PM   #2
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Newt remarked that aside from a few lines he thought it was a very good and American address.

I haven't seen it but did any of you?
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Well we all know how much you love Newt 😅
I couldn't watch it, I have a job but I did read a transcript of it.
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Old 01-22-2013, 06:38 PM   #3
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Well we all know how much you love Newt ��
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I don't think he actually read Newt's comments...

Gallup: American Optimism Hits Lowest Point Since Carter Administration

January 22, 2013

Gallup: American Optimism Hits Lowest Point Since Carter Administration CBS DC

http://www.gallup.com/poll/160046/am...ts-future.aspx
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To hear Obama quoting the Declaration of Independence and pontificating on the "founding principles" of this Republic it reminded me of Alan Dershowitz discussing Bill Clinton:
"When Clinton talked brilliantly about education reform, Social Security, and the budget, I knew why I had supported him for president. When he talked passionately about better child care for working parents, I knew why I liked him as a friend. But then he said something that made me explode with anger toward the man I voted for, admired, and liked. He talked about saving our "disintegrating American treasures," like the Bill of Rights. The President was referring, as it happens, to the physical preservation of the original document of 1793. But the ambivalence of this phrase was grating. Here was Mr. Clinton, who had done more to destroy the values reflected in the Bill of Rights than any president in recent memory, piously worrying about an old piece of paper. Talk about elevating form over substance"

Alan Dershowitz Penthouse Magazine, Advise & Dissent, September 1998, speaking of Clinton's 1998 State of the Union speech

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You can’t truly call yourself “peaceful” unless you are capable of great violence.
If you are incapable of violence, you are not peaceful, you are just harmless.
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:22 AM   #5
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he, or whoever writes the words on his teleprompter for him is a gifted sophist and revels in deceptive language, manipulation and dishonesty... it's a game, as it is with so many of the smug progressives, they think it makes them smart but what it does is make them evil.....

this is excellent, you should read the whole thing

American Liberty, But…
By Charles C. W. Cooke

January 23, 2013

Drawing on their boundless linguistic ingenuity, the British have worked out a neat little trick to take the edge off when endorsing restrictions on individual liberty. “I believe in freedom of speech,” members of parliament or representatives of advocacy groups will say with real poise. And then they will add the word “but” and explain disjointedly why they don’t. For some inexplicable reason, this is startlingly effective. Human ears, it seems, couch the truthful second statement in the more people-pleasing first. The preamble to the “but” makes what follows all the more persuasive, even when the statements are contradictory. It’s quite brilliant...................

Apparently, The Trick has now found its way across the Atlantic. Witness yesterday’s inaugural speech, in which President Obama regularly lionized the Republic’s axiological philosophical principles just moments before articulating his own, antithetical, ideology. A lovely example:

Through it all, we have never relinquished our skepticism of central authority, nor have we succumbed to the fiction that all society’s ills can be cured through government alone. Our celebration of initiative and enterprise, our insistence on hard work and personal responsibility, these are constants in our character.

“These are constants in our character” seems a pretty straightforward proposition. Yet then, as if by clockwork, came the “but”:

But we have always understood that when times change, so must we; that fidelity to our founding principles requires new responses to new challenges; that preserving our individual freedoms ultimately requires collective action.


Those “constants” in our character, then, “must change.” And our “individual freedoms” require “collective actions.” In other words, black is white, up is down, and left is right. Individualism is collectivism if you’ll only use the magic word “but.”

Within reason, the president is entitled to advocate for whatever philosophy he chooses. But “a decent respect to the opinions of mankind,” as the Declaration puts it, would dictate that he do so honestly and without confusion. However one couches it, individualism is not collectivism; guaranteeing free speech is not restricting speech; constants cannot be changed to suit the times. Were progressivism popular enough on its own, it would not need to be swaddled in the idioms of liberty. But it is not, and, for now at least, that means we’ll likely be stuck with that dastardly little conjunction whenever progressive salesmen are at work.



American Liberty, But? - National Review Online

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