NRA

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

That's another argument I keep saying...because these weapons aren't the number 1 cause of death, we don't need to discuss it?

To put it another way...more kids will die from obesity than will drown. Does that mean you are equally dismissive of laws that require little kids to wear life jackets on a boat? Why have those laws! It's not the number 1 cause of death, so why the hell should we care?

Funny you missed the whole point he made.....WE HAVE ENOUGH LAWS
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[Carl]

Maybe another analogy. Since there are 10 of thousands of auto related deaths every year (give or take, very close to the same number as gun related deaths) and we don't ban cars why would we ban guns for gun related deaths? Driver license may get revoked (which does not stop someone from driving)

Also keep in mind about 1/2 of all gun related deaths are gang and drug related.

If the legislators gave equal effort and the news gave equal air time to addressing mental health, reducing drug related violence, gang violence, suicides, prosecuting and convicting those that break current gun laws, along with conversations as to how do high capacity magazines and scary guns contribute to crime (ie crime control instead of only gun control, then maybe a "reasonable" and "sensible" discussion can be had. It seems to me most of the "discussion" is rhetoric and real issues are not addressed.

As long as "gun control" is an agenda instead of focusing on crime control and the issues that lead to crime, a real conversation will not happen.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Carl

Maybe another analogy. Since there are 10 of thousands of auto related deaths every year (give or take, very close to the same number as gun related deaths) and we don't ban cars why would we ban guns for gun related deaths? Driver license may get revoked (which does not stop someone from driving)

Also keep in mind about 1/2 of all gun related deaths are gang and drug related.

If the legislators gave equal effort and the news gave equal air time to addressing mental health, reducing drug related violence, gang violence, suicides, prosecuting and convicting those that break current gun laws, along with conversations as to how do high capacity magazines and scary guns contribute to crime (ie crime control instead of only gun control, then maybe a "reasonable" and "sensible" discussion can be had. It seems to me most of the "discussion" is rhetoric and real issues are not addressed.

As long as "gun control" is an agenda instead of focusing on crime control and the issues that lead to crime, a real conversation will not happen.

"Since there are 10 of thousands of auto related deaths every year (give or take, very close to the same number as gun related deaths) and we don't ban cars why would we ban guns for gun related deaths?"

Once again, for like the tenth time, because almost everyone in America has a legitimate need for a car. Cars allowed us to get out of the cities and into the suburbs. Just about no one (except law enforcement and military) has a need for a high-capacity magazine. There is a reason why no one is calling for a car ban, but many are calling for a ban on the most lethal weapons.

"ie crime control instead of only gun control"

Agreed 100%. But I don't think that means we necessarily ignore gun control.

[Carl]

Jim,

I am not advocating a car ban either. But, I am also against gun bans or magazine bans. I also agree that most people need a car to preserve a way of life, however, you don't need to prove a need or any legitimacy to by any car you want. No-one needs a really fast sports car or a really large truck just to drive to the office. Both of those vehicles may injure or kill people if used recklessly. And if they are, the driver should be punished to the full extent of the law. Why do I need to provide any justification to lawfully own a gun that can hold 30 rounds? Again, part of the fear is today it is 30 round magazines tomorrow it is 10, next week I can only justify a single shot firemarm. The gun control agenda is just that - an agenda - It has no basis to solve any real life issues.