Michigan voting on "right to work", what is the controversy here?

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

Apple is an odd example to cite. -spence

ok there spency, how about Honda and Toyota, better examples to cite?

Quality, value, dependability, etc? You following me?
We've had Toyota people working with us for years on six sigma an straight through processing. I cant recall any union shops being examples of quality and ingenuity, can you?
Hmm, I guess its just a coincidence.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

ok there spency, how about Honda and Toyota, better examples to cite?

Quality, value, dependability, etc? You following me?
We've had Toyota people working with us for years on six sigma an straight through processing. I cant recall any union shops being examples of quality and ingenuity, can you?
Hmm, I guess its just a coincidence.

I believe both Toyota and Honda workers are heavily unionized in Japan. This is where LEAN Manufacturing was born, it's perhaps even more heavily used in Manufacturing in the USA than Six Sigma although many companies also employ both.

Yes, they're not unionized in North America. Many of the imported assembly plants have set up shop in areas where the average wages are lower...for them, the auto jobs are a good deal. Considering the cheap land and tax advantages used to lure them to set up shop, it's probably a good deal for the auto makers as well.

I've never asserted that unions are the ideal, but I think at times they provide a necessary counter to the power of the corporation.

I do think that a blanket move like right to work will be very disruptive to business and from what I've read the auto makers aren't that excited about it.

-spence

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by spence

I do think that a blanket move like right to work will be very disruptive to business and from what I've read the auto makers aren't that excited about it.

-spence

Since you completely ignored my entire reply, maybe the third time I ask the question will actually get answered...

What is the negative to giving people a choice to be part of a union or not? If unions are so wonderful, nothing should change for them.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Since you completely ignored my entire reply, maybe the third time I ask the question will actually get answered...

What is the negative to giving people a choice to be part of a union or not? If unions are so wonderful, nothing should change for them.

Probably not going to get a reply. It's amazing, isn't it?

Spence, if you are opposed to right-to-work, you should be able to fill in the following blank...

I am opposed to letting people decide for themselves if they want to join a union. Rather, I think we should force people to join the union (and pay union dues) because ________________________.

Spence, I dare you to fill in that blank with anything that sounds reasonable.

I'm not saying unions are good or bad here. I'm saying, it's inexplicable that anyone (unless you are a fan of North Korea) would oppose the notion that individuals be able to choose on their own, whether or not they want to join.

This has nothing to do with whether or not you like unions. It has everything to do with whether or not you prefer freedom or coercion.