I just dont get it

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

the one and only thing being discussed right now is for the house to pass the senate bill eliminating the Bush cuts for those over 200/250k. That it, period. That is what O is pushing for.

Correct, and worse, Obama i strying to convince people (at least during the campaign he was) that the tax hikes are all we need to get our fiscal house in order. It's a great way to attack Republicans, but it's demonstrably false.

The most significant, specific proposal I've seen for cuts, is what Ryan proposed for Medicare. The liberal response was the commercial showing Ryan pushng an old lady off a cliff. The Democrats don't seem inclined to have an honest conversation about this...

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Correct, and worse, Obama i strying to convince people (at least during the campaign he was) that the tax hikes are all we need to get our fiscal house in order. It's a great way to attack Republicans, but it's demonstrably false.

The most significant, specific proposal I've seen for cuts, is what Ryan proposed for Medicare. The liberal response was the commercial showing Ryan pushng an old lady off a cliff. The Democrats don't seem inclined to have an honest conversation about this...

I agree and if they are successful in getting the senate bill passed, they will pat themselves on the back and say disaster averted. The disaster was a posion pill inserted into the legislation the last time they deferred solving the problem. all of the initial issues remain. You cant make this up. Its like a 3 stooges routine. I GUARANTEE 99% of Americans wont have a clue

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I agree and if they are successful in getting the senate bill passed, they will pat themselves on the back and say disaster averted. The disaster was a posion pill inserted into the legislation the last time they deferred solving the problem. all of the initial issues remain. You cant make this up. Its like a 3 stooges routine. I GUARANTEE 99% of Americans wont have a clue

dems control the Whitehouse and Senate and Reid appears ready to change Senate rules to eliminate challenges there..dems have no intention of reducing current levels of spending, in fact, they are eyeing even more spending, want to raise the debt ceiling, increase regulation and expand of the bureaucratic state, 64% of the current spending is entitlements and interest on the debt and that is steadily growing....Republicans are easily marginalized as Grinches who want to take away everyone's goodies and anyone other than those being pandered to are easily characterized as greedy and having too much and need to cough it up, it's an enviable position to be in politically, I don't know how you mess it up until the collapse occurs and the government checks and services really stop coming...

[scottw]

and there you have it ....

Obama's opening "fiscal cliff" bid seeks debt limit hike, stimulus

WASHINGTON | Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:21pm EST

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration's opening bid on Thursday in negotiations to avert a year-end fiscal crunch included a demand for new stimulus spending and authority to unilaterally raise the U.S. borrowing ceiling, a Republican congressional aide said.

The proposal, made by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner to congressional Republican leaders on Capitol Hill, was seen as offering little the Republicans could agree to and was greeted with laughter, the aide said.

"We can't move any closer to them because they're not even on our planet," the aide said. "It was not a serious proposal."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

and there you have it ....

Obama's opening "fiscal cliff" bid seeks debt limit hike, stimulus

WASHINGTON | Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:21pm EST

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration's opening bid on Thursday in negotiations to avert a year-end fiscal crunch included a demand for new stimulus spending and authority to unilaterally raise the U.S. borrowing ceiling, a Republican congressional aide said.

The proposal, made by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner to congressional Republican leaders on Capitol Hill, was seen as offering little the Republicans could agree to and was greeted with laughter, the aide said.

"We can't move any closer to them because they're not even on our planet," the aide said. "It was not a serious proposal."

That's really something if that's true. So Obama's response to our crisis is to throw gasoline on the fire, by spending more, following the previlus stimulus that by Obama's own metrics (about what it would do to unemployment) was an abject failure.

CT just came out with a study that is projecting annual deficits of more that $1 billion for the next several years, and THAT is assuming that tax revenues increase by 7% a year during that time, which is absurd. Maybe the state should start buying Powerball tickets.

Scott, in another post, you said the liberals won't learn until the crisis hits. I have been saying that for several years. That crisis will occur when a sufficient number of baby boomers are devastating entitlement funding, maybe another 15 years.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

That's really something if that's true. is there any reason to doubt it? they've been calling for bothSo Obama's response to our crisis is to throw gasoline on the fire, by spending more, following the previlus stimulus that by Obama's own metrics (about what it would do to unemployment) was an abject failure. that would be the MO for a long time now

CT just came out with a study that is projecting annual deficits of more that $1 billion for the next several years, and THAT is assuming that tax revenues increase by 7% a year during that time, which is absurd. Maybe the state should start buying Powerball tickets. these Federal negotiations are not even factoring the deep problems that states are in

Scott, in another post, you said the liberals let's just say...those whose faith resides in governmentwon't learn until the crisis hits. I have been saying that for several years. That crisis will occur when a sufficient number of baby boomers are devastating entitlement funding, maybe another 15 years.

most likely Geitner knows nothing about any of this and was just sent to the negotiation to read talking points written by some unknown source that may or may not be accurate or factual and might or might not reflect the beliefs or postitions of the Whitehouse

also ironic is that the President will spend the next few weeks flying around the country in luxury, pandering to the wallowing masses and bashing the rich before heading off on a 20 day, 4 million dollar vacation in Hawaii as the country goes over the fiscal cliff, you just can't make this stuff up...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

also ironic is that the President will spend the next few weeks flying around the country in luxury, pandering to the wallowing masses and bashing the rich before heading off on a 20 day, 4 million dollar vacation in Hawaii as the country goes over the fiscal cliff, you just can't make this stuff up...

I usually don't bash presidents for taking vacations, as you can pretty much get that job done anywhere, with modern technology. But you are right on 2 points...first, there are certain crisis which seem to be serious enough where he needs to be in DC, and this rises to that lever (since they are saying we slide back into recession if a deal is not reached). Second, we once again see that it's OK for liberals to live like czars, but when conservatives do it, they are unethical crooks.