Too many

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

How many R are there in education?
You missed my point Bryan, but Jimmy saw it. I just think the R party is up against it with of the amount of people who tow the line. There are quite a few races, religions and professions who feel obligated to vote simply because it benefits the "now". If for some reason a coscience materializes,they will understand they are compromising their childrens future. Hopefully before it is too late.

I had a conversation with a friend who's a firefighter on Tuesday before I went and voted. He said he voted for all dems and I asked why. He said because his union told them they all had to vote democrat or they'd lose their pensions. I asked if he knew this to be a fact and he said he just does what the union tells him. He's like millions of other people who just do what they're told without putting any of their own thought into it. I guess the old saying "you get what you deserve" applies here.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I had a conversation with a friend who's a firefighter on Tuesday before I went and voted. He said he voted for all dems and I asked why. He said because his union told them they all had to vote democrat or they'd lose their pensions. I asked if he knew this to be a fact and he said he just does what the union tells him. He's like millions of other people who just do what they're told without putting any of their own thought into it. I guess the old saying "you get what you deserve" applies here.

I have many teacher friends who are the same way. The ironic thing is that it's the Democrats who will be the un-doing of those pensions, by promising benefits that are impossible to fund.

[eelskimmer]

Fishbones, Jim in CT
You really have firemen and teacher friends who
believe the Union will cancel their pensions? How
completely naive can they be? Do Unions have
a special way of getting inside the voting booth?
With educated voters like that, no wonder O won.
PS. With less than 1.8% of vote over Romney,
O has nothing close to a mandate to do anything.
Thank God we have a Republican controlled
House of Reps.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by eelskimmer

Fishbones, Jim in CT
You really have firemen and teacher friends who
believe the Union will cancel their pensions? How
completely naive can they be? Do Unions have
a special way of getting inside the voting booth?
With educated voters like that, no wonder O won.
PS. With less than 1.8% of vote over Romney,
O has nothing close to a mandate to do anything.
Thank God we have a Republican controlled
House of Reps.

My friends who teach, think that if they vote for Democrats (like the union suggests), they will bet better benefits. That's what th eunion tells them.

But that's a lie...the democrats will promise the unions better benefits. But for younger union members (younger than the Baby Boomers), they won't get those benefits, because not enough money exists in the universe to pay for them.

Democrats promise the unions insane benefits. Conservatives believe in fair benefits.

What the union members will eventually find out, is that "fair' is better than 'nothing'.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I had a conversation with a friend who's a firefighter on Tuesday before I went and voted. He said he voted for all dems and I asked why. He said because his union told them they all had to vote democrat or they'd lose their pensions. I asked if he knew this to be a fact and he said he just does what the union tells him.

say

Yup, the union leaders say" jump" and the members say " how high".

The union told my son in law to vote for Gore or he wold loose $15/hr.
Ended up he worked everyday under Bush with all the overtime he could
use.
Under Obama he's been unemployed for 22 of the last 24 months.

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Ended up he worked everyday under Bush with all the overtime he could
use.
Under Obama he's been unemployed for 22 of the last 24 months.

Bush enjoyed the fruit of Clinton's labor .. even had a surplus . Obama get's Bushes mess .

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by Tagger

Bush enjoyed the fruit of Clinton's labor .. even had a surplus . Obama get's Bushes mess .

Right! Like mortgage industry collapse. 9/11 I think it has been said Clinton had opportunities with Bin Laden. That is the standard line though. To explain Obamas failures

That is just not correct.
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[likwid]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Yup, the union leaders say" jump" and the members say " how high".

Yes, they use predator drones to monitor voting.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by likwid

Yes, they use predator drones to monitor voting.

No need for drones, he wasn't stupid then or fall for the BS this year either.
Maybe a little ticked that working his butt off 16 hours/ day for over 2 weeks restoring power in all kinds of weather, and still out there working knowing he will be sharing %40 of his work $$ with the govt.

[Sea Dangles]

I never really understood complaining about taxes. They are there and we all pay them. It's not like anybody is getting porked here and everybody who pays is entitled to what their tax dollars pay for.

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

everybody who pays is entitled to what their tax dollars pay for.

WRONG:My tax dollars do not entitle me for a free cell phone and bill paid for...can't get mass health....can't get my heat bill or home energy efficent paid by action...can't get free taxi service around town...can't get food stamps...there R some of the things my tax dollars pay for that I'm not entitled

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

WRONG:My tax dollars do not entitle me for a free cell phone and bill paid for...can't get mass health....can't get my heat bill or home energy efficent paid by action...can't get free taxi service around town...can't get food stamps...there R some of the things my tax dollars pay for that I'm not entitled

or an ebt card, welfare, daycare, drug rehab, oil by joe, free tution in state, and the ability to vote with an id