So heres to 4 more years

[striperman36]

Dow Plunges below 13,000

Yea, I guess we know how Wall St Feels

[spence]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Dow Plunges below 13,000

Yea, I guess we know how Wall St Feels

The market usually does pretty poorly the day after the election.

Add to that the looming fiscal cliff negotiation that we have to get through and it's going to make people very jittery short-term.

-spence

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Add to that the looming fiscal cliff negotiation that we have to get through and it's going to make people very jittery short-term.

-spence

Wish THAT got more airtime in the past year.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Wish THAT got more airtime in the past year.

serously, is it a coincidence that its all over the media today but not mentioned in the mainstream (non-financial news) during the elections cycle? No debate question on how you would handle the fiscal cliff?

[justplugit]

After hearing today that post vote interviews showed 21%
were influenced by Obama and Christie stepping over a 2x4 together after Sandy, reminds me of JDs remarks many months ago about stupid uneducated voters.

Nothing wrong with the Repub message, smaller govt.and fiscal responsibility,
just uneducated voters influenced by a blurb of cum bi ya on TV, forgetting they had hired a guy 4 years ago to do a job,which he failed at,and it was time to fire him.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Nothing wrong with the Repub message, smaller govt.and fiscal responsibility,
just uneducated voters influenced by a blurb of cum bi ya on TV forgetting they had hired a guy 4 years ago to do a job,which he failed at,and it was time to fire him.

I know this will piss off a lot of die hard Rs of the highly religious bend, but if the swinging schwantzes in the R party keep talking about stuff like maybe a rape being a God's Will, then smaller government and fiscal responsibility will never make a difference.

I fear that should we stay on the same path WRT national debt / taxes / employment that it is not inconceivable that we are probably 4 election cycles away from a no #^&#^&#^&#^& civil war or serious state level discussions of secession. When Texas says Eff this what will stop them?

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I know this will piss off a lot of die hard Rs of the highly religious bend, but if the swinging schwantzes in the R party keep talking about stuff like maybe a rape being a God's Will, then smaller government and fiscal responsibility will never make a difference.

I agree John, that's stupider than the stupid voters, if that's possible.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I know this will piss off a lot of die hard Rs of the highly religious bend, but if the swinging schwantzes in the R party keep talking about stuff like maybe a rape being a God's Will, then smaller government and fiscal responsibility will never make a difference.

I fear that should we stay on the same path WRT national debt / taxes / employment that it is not inconceivable that we are probably 4 election cycles away from a no #^&#^&#^&#^& civil war or serious state level discussions of secession. When Texas says Eff this what will stop them?

"keep talking about stuff like maybe a rape being a God's Will"

Due respect John, that's not anywhere near what the man said. That's what the media claimed that he said. He specifically said rape was 'horrible'...I agree he shouldn't have said it, because you could predict how the lying liberal media would spin it. But in and of itself, it wasn't an offensive statement.

"even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen"

The 'it' he is referring to is not the rape, it's the spectacular creation of life...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I fear that should we stay on the same path WRT national debt / taxes / employment that it is not inconceivable that we are probably 4 election cycles away from a no #^&#^&#^&#^& civil war or serious state level discussions of secession. When Texas says Eff this what will stop them?

The path we stay on is determined by the form of government from which that path is created. Our current system of government is no longer the founding system which would have made it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for the Federal Government to spend us into such a massive debt. The founding system did not grant it the power to do so. The far greater power to spend and regulate and decide economic and social matters resided in sovereign states united by compact into a republic, not a democracy. Under the pretense of being purely a democracy, that original system has been, for the most part, discarded, and transformed into one of supreme central power which operates more as a regulator/owner of social and economic matters, and as one state, and one which is not really even a democracy. The massive regulatory bureaucracy which promulgates the bulk of rules and regulations which determine the path we take is not elected. It has plenary power to do as it wishes. This is not a democracy, much less a republic. And that bureaucracy of "experts" are "responsible only to each agency's narrow mission, not to the overall economic health of the nation.

And the massive debt, to a great degree, is required to feed the results created by that bureaucracy. Speeches and promises of cutting or raising taxes, of creating jobs, of stimulating the economy, of providing free birth control, of deciding what marriage is, none of which were originally the purview of central government are side issues that not only make concrete the administrative, undemocratic system, but hide the fact of its existence. A dialogue about a fiscal cliff is useless if its cause is not a part of the discussion. Blather about fiscal responsibility solves nothing. Political tinkering, rather than total government reformation, will not stop the growth of a system that has created more dependants than producers. The health care bill will now be set in stone. The Supreme Court will become even more of an enabler of this system rather than a check against it. The road back to originalism is not a path that will be taken if the people choose not to do so. The present course will continue.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

serously, is it a coincidence that its all over the media today but not mentioned in the mainstream (non-financial news) during the elections cycle? No debate question on how you would handle the fiscal cliff?

I saw that on CNN this morning an' about Shat my pants

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by spence

The market usually does pretty poorly the day after the election.

Add to that the looming fiscal cliff negotiation that we have to get through and it's going to make people very jittery short-term.

-spence

Originally Posted by JohnR

Wish THAT got more airtime in the past year.

It has been there, buried by a biased media, and should have been exploited during the campaign. A lot of smart people dug their heads in the sand on this one. Gonna be hell to pay. Popular vote shows a clearly divided nation. Party system doesn't work. Too much money spent, especially here in Mass Senate race. Don't tell me that Warren doesn't owe a few votes for all that money.... Yes, I am disgusted. Already had two kitchen projects cancelled TODAY. Fiscal cliff effects will explode exponentially over the next four years. Given the first four years, it is clear that newly confirmed administration does not have the skill set to even recognize the impending fiscal disaster, nevermind having the experience and balls to reverse its direction. He got a pretty good review considering it's only his second job..... Good for him that he will never have to work in the private sector and actually have a perfomance review for his job. I'm going to continue hiding in plain sight. When the handouts end and the man comes to collect, I won't be found....

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I'm going to continue hiding in plain sight. When the handouts end and the man comes to collect, I won't be found....

Can I come?
I guess Alex Baldwin won't be moving to New Zeland and will still
be here then.