More relevations on Libya

[Jim in CT]

Another thing...it is now being reported that the firefight within the embassy lasted for at least 7 hours. SEVEN HOURS. Why weren't US military assets immediately deployed? We knew the embassy was being attacked within minutes of teh start of the attack. They had 7 hours to get the cavalry to the embassy, and we did notihng? Stevens and 2 security officers made it to a 'safe room', which is designed as a place to hunker down and wait for help.

Some serious, serious questions need to be asked. Obama is willing to wait until after the election?

Priorities...

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Another thing...it is now being reported that the firefight within the embassy lasted for at least 7 hours. SEVEN HOURS. Why weren't US military assets immediately deployed? We knew the embassy was being attacked within minutes of teh start of the attack. They had 7 hours to get the cavalry to the embassy, and we did notihng? Stevens and 2 security officers made it to a 'safe room', which is designed as a place to hunker down and wait for help.

Some serious, serious questions need to be asked. Obama is willing to wait until after the election?

Priorities...

Exactly, seven hours to respond and NOTHING !
At the very least after extra security was asked for and denied there should have been a contingency plan put in place if needed.

The fact that taking fire from mortars etc. for 7 hours with rifles the only defense had to be a harrowing experience waiting for help that never came.
That's how we treat our citizens in a known danger zone, defenseless?
There is NO defense for that. Pathetic failure.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Exactly, seven hours to respond and NOTHING !
At the very least after extra security was asked for and denied there should have been a contingency plan put in place if needed.

The fact that taking fire from mortars etc. for 7 hours with rifles the only defense had to be a harrowing experience waiting for help that never came.
That's how we treat our citizens in a known danger zone, defenseless?
There is NO defense for that. Pathetic failure.

Not only did we leave them essentially defenseless, Obama then spins the response in way that attempts to cover his ass. And 24 hours after the attack, he is in Vegas at a fundraiser.

It is reported that the 2 dead SEALs were found slumped over a machine gun position, and that evidence suggests they fought long aftr they had been wounded by mortar fire.

Unbelievable. There's a whole lot of soldiers that were within 7 hours of that embassy. Fly a helicopter over, announce that anyone who is still visible around the compound in 30 seconds will be strafed with machine gun fire.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There's a whole lot of soldiers that were within 7 hours of that embassy.

And able to respond in a timely way? Where? How do you know this?

Interesting, now that Romney is getting security briefs he seems to have abandoned his earlier attack.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...-speeches?lite

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

And able to respond in a timely way? Where? How do you know this?
-spence

If we can't respond anywhere in the world within 7 hours we
might as well just give up.

The real problem here is that with 2 previous attacks on the consulate
and the request for more security being denied, there should have been
a contigency plan in place if it was attacked. Complete failure.

A low flying F18 alone would have scattered them, let alone a few
well placed rockets obtaining targets from the overhead drone.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

If we can't respond anywhere in the world within 7 hours we might as well just give up.

Not until we perfect the Heisenberg compensator.

The real problem here is that with 2 previous attacks on the consulate and the request for more security being denied, there should have been a contigency plan in place if it was attacked. Complete failure.

As we've discussed, there's certainly a decision here to investigate but the actual security requests that were made wouldn't have likely made a difference.

A low flying F18 alone would have scattered them, let alone a few well placed rockets obtaining targets from the overhead drone.

Think of what you're saying here. The US invades a sovereign and mostly friendly country and fires rockets that likely have a high chance of collateral damage and perhaps little impact on the safety of those who may or may not even still be alive.

This isn't that black and white.

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Not until we perfect the Heisenberg compensator.


As we've discussed, there's certainly a decision here to investigate but the actual security requests that were made wouldn't have likely made a difference.


Think of what you're saying here. The US invades a sovereign and mostly friendly country and fires rockets that likely have a high chance of collateral damage and perhaps little impact on the safety of those who may or may not even still be alive.

This isn't that black and white.

-spence

No, not black and white but we have a right to defend our soverign embassy land in any country. Just wouldn't have been Politicaly Expedient but would
have been an attempt to save American lives.
So we shouldn't have tried something because we didn't know if they were still alive or not???

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

The US invades a sovereign and mostly friendly country and fires rockets that likely have a high chance of collateral damage and perhaps little impact on the safety of those who may or may not even still be alive.


-spence

So Spence, now that you have the facts about the availability of troops,
time to answer the question before the thread changes pages and you think everyone will forget the question.

Spence," So we shouldn't have tried to send troops because we didn't know
if they were alive or not??????"

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Not until we perfect the Heisenberg compensator.


As we've discussed, there's certainly a decision here to investigate but the actual security requests that were made wouldn't have likely made a difference.


Think of what you're saying here. The US invades a sovereign and mostly friendly country and fires rockets that likely have a high chance of collateral damage and perhaps little impact on the safety of those who may or may not even still be alive.

This isn't that black and white.

-spence

"The US invades a sovereign and mostly friendly country..."

The US Embassy is also sovereign territory...sovereign to the US. When an ebmassy is being attacked, you don't have to ask permission to defend it...it's just the same as if our shores had been attacked.

"those who may or may not even still be alive."

Read the other thread I started. We now know that the 2 former Navy SEALs were killed at least 7 hours after the attack started. We know that because they were on the radio, saying that they had a laser sight on the mortar position that was firing at them, asking that a gunship come in and destroy that mortar position. That help never came, even though it was close enough. And those 2 superb Americans were eventually killed by a mortar.

I hope this impacts the election by a couple of points.

God Bless Foxnews, the only station not actively burying this story to try and get that Maoist re-elected.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Think of what you're saying here. The US invades a sovereign and mostly friendly country and fires rockets that likely have a high chance of collateral damage and perhaps little impact on the safety of those who may or may not even still be alive.



-spence

So Spence,still waiting for your answer to my question,--- we shouldn't have sent troops because we didn't know if they were alve or not ??????

Maybe you and O could get together at a news conference someday and answer
questions together.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

And able to respond in a timely way? Where? How do you know this?

Interesting, now that Romney is getting security briefs he seems to have abandoned his earlier attack.

Libya disappears from Romney's stump speeches - First Read

-spence

"And able to respond in a timely way? Where? How do you know this?"

I know this, because I don't rely solely on The Huffington Post to get my ifo.

There are special operations forces all over the place within 200 miles of the embassy. Even in Tripoli, it's been reported there were special forces soldiers who could have gotten there on bikes in less than 7 hours. There are ships in the Gulf that could have deployed helicopters.