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Old 09-23-2012, 10:45 AM   #1
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He was on UNIVISION for Christmas sake. Did you read the actual transcript? President Obama is quite lucid and articulate. President Obama says very clearly upon taking office his highest priority was the economy. He also says that the Republicans who supported reform before the election had suddenly flipped... The President doesn't have magic powers. If Republican Senators aren't going to participate in the dialogue then President Obama doesn't have a filibuster proof majority for very long, perhaps a few months? Hell, he couldn't even get the DREAM ACT through the Senate let alone comprehensive reform. I'm not sure what your point of this entire thread is...just sounds like senseless bitching to me. Seriously Jim, you're making the BLAME BUSH crowd look like rank amateurs. -spence
"He also says that the Republicans who supported reform before the election had suddenly flipped"

Spence, maybe you and Barack should take a high school civics class. For Obama's first 13 months, he didn't need any GOP support to pass any immigration law he wanted. The Democrats controlled the house, and had a fillibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Therefore, neither Obama nor you can accurately claim that the GOP prevented immigration reform in his first 13 months.

Spence, what is it about that statement, exactly, that do you not understand?

"you're making the BLAME BUSH crowd look like rank amateurs"

No, I'm not. I'm proving irrefutably that Obama is a liar. I have proven that to a 100% certainty. I am simultaneously proving that you are also a liar and/or a coward. You will not admit hard, concrete, irrefutable fact, if it exposes your hero for what he is.

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Old 09-23-2012, 12:23 PM   #2
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No, I'm not. I'm proving irrefutably that Obama is a liar. I have proven that to a 100% certainty. I am simultaneously proving that you are also a liar and/or a coward. You will not admit hard, concrete, irrefutable fact, if it exposes your hero for what he is.
Not keeping a campaign promise isn't a lie unless you never had any intention of fulfilling that promise. A lot goes on that's out of your control.

And since you like facts, here are some on said super majority.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did...-for-how-long/

Do you seriously think President Obama didn't want to reform immigration? Unless you do you really don't have a leg to stand on.

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Old 09-23-2012, 02:08 PM   #3
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Not keeping a campaign promise isn't a lie unless you never had any intention of fulfilling that promise. A lot goes on that's out of your control.

And since you like facts, here are some on said super majority.

Did The Democrats Ever Really Have 60 Votes In The Senate, And For How Long?

Do you seriously think President Obama didn't want to reform immigration? Unless you do you really don't have a leg to stand on.

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"Not keeping a campaign promise isn't a lie..."

As usual, you missed the point that your children could grasp. Obama's lie was saying that the GOP is to blame for his not keeping the promise. One last time, there was no way for the GOP to stop him from doing anything.

I have never heard anyone, ever, deny that Obama had carte blanche during his first 13 months. even Obama isn't denying that.

Spence, was there an immigration bill proposed by the Democrats that the GOP killed? Yes or no?

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Do you seriously think President Obama didn't want to reform immigration?"

I have no idea. What I do know is that he could have if he wanted to, but he chose not to. That's irrefutable fact. Try making that wrong.

"you really don't have a leg to stand on"

You're the desperate, pathetic one here Spence. you're desperately grasping at straws, and everyone knows it.
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