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Old 09-21-2012, 08:26 PM   #1
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Spence...do not blame the GOP....remember that Dems controled the senate and house in 2009...the hespanics just took him to task on that....promises promises
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:56 PM   #2
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Let's be very clear and honest here...Obama says not passing immigration reform is his biggest failure. And according to him, 100% of the blame lies with others, namely the Republicans.

Obama had 13 months where it was not possible for the GOP to prevent him from doing anything. That is irrefutable fact. Yet he bears no responsibility for failing to deliver a promise he made on immigration.

A question for Zimmy, Spence, Paul S...isn't that severly lacking in honesty?

I detest Obama. I buried 2 kids under my command who willingly sacrificed for this country. Their sacrifice certainly doesn't demand that we elect a Republican. But their sacrifice demands that we elect someone who has the shred of honesty required to say "I messed up. I screwed the pooch on this one."

We need to raise the bar. Doing the right thing is always the right thing to do. Obama can only do the right thing when it's self-serving.

Obama told an Hispanic reporter in 2008, that he "guaranteed" there would be immigration reform in his first year. When that same reporter (from the Univision network) reminded Obama of the broken promise, Obama's first response was to lie. Obama's first response was that he only promised to "try" to get something done. wrong. Obama used the word "guarantee". Obama's second response was to blame the GOP, despite the fact that the Democrats controlled the legislature.

First, he lies. Second, he deflects blame.

We need to raise the bar. We have serious threats we are facing.

PaulS, Zimmy, Spence...please tell me where I'm wrong on this?

I had a few beers. Transmission ends.
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Old 09-23-2012, 02:12 AM   #3
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A question for Zimmy, Spence, Paul S...isn't that severly lacking in honesty?

PaulS, Zimmy, Spence...please tell me where I'm wrong on this?

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"No matter how great the crimes progressives commit, no matter how terrible the futures they labor to create, no matter how devastating the human catastrophes they leave behind, the world outside the faith seems ready to forgive their “mistakes” and to grant them the grace of “good intentions.”

As Jamie Glazov, a student of the left, has observed in an article about the middle-class defenders of recently captured Seventies terrorist Kathy Soliah: “if you can successfully camouflage your own pathology and hatred with a concern for the ‘poor’ and the ‘downtrodden,’ then there will always be a ‘progressive’ milieu to support and defend you.”

If you believed that others could understand your truth, you would not think of yourself as part of a “vanguard.” You would no longer inhabit the morally charmed world of an elite whose members alone can see the light and whose mission is to lead the unenlightened towards it. If everybody could see the same horizon and knew the path to reach it, the future would already have happened and there would be no need for the army of the saints.

That is both the ethical core and psychological heart of what it means to be a part of the left. That is where the gratification comes from. To see yourself as a redeemer. To feel anointed. To be among the elect. In other words: To be progressive is itself the most satisfying narcissism of all.

That is why it is of little concern to them that their socialist schemes have run aground, burying millions of human beings in the process. That is why they don’t care that their panaceas have caused more human suffering than any injustice they have ever challenged. That is why they never learn from their “mistakes,” why the continuance of Them is more important than any truth.

Conservatives who think progressives are misinformed idealists will always be blind-sided by the sheer malice of the left -- by the cynicism of those who pride themselves on their principles; by the viciousness of those who champion sensitivity; by the intolerance of those who call themselves liberal; and by the ruthless disregard for the well-being of the poor on the part of those who preen themselves as their champions.

Conservatives are surprised because they see progressives as merely misguided, when they are, in fact, morally – and ontologically -- misdirected. They are the messianists of a false religious faith. Since the redeemed future that justifies their existence and rationalizes their hypocrisy can never be realized, what really motivates progressives is a modern idolatry: their limitless passion for the continuance of Them."




Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.

Barack Obama

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Old 09-23-2012, 06:13 AM   #4
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Great post Scott. That may be your magnum opus.

We're in serious trouble. And it's all preventable.
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Old 09-23-2012, 06:30 AM   #5
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That may be your magnum opus.
No, to be an opus he'd have to actually write something.

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Old 09-23-2012, 07:30 AM   #6
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No, to be an opus he'd have to actually write something.

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Spence, one more time...

What was your response to my claim that an effective leader can do 2 things at once?

You insulted me by saying I couldn't grasp your response. I just checked that thread again. Unless there's something really wrong with my eyes, you did not respond...
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Old 09-23-2012, 08:28 AM   #7
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Spence, if Obama calls this his "biggest failure', then clearly this was not a superflous issue to him.
He was on UNIVISION for Christmas sake.

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Spence, one more time...

What was your response to my claim that an effective leader can do 2 things at once?

You insulted me by saying I couldn't grasp your response. I just checked that thread again. Unless there's something really wrong with my eyes, you did not respond...
Did you read the actual transcript? President Obama is quite lucid and articulate.

President Obama says very clearly upon taking office his highest priority was the economy. He also says that the Republicans who supported reform before the election had suddenly flipped...

The President doesn't have magic powers. If Republican Senators aren't going to participate in the dialogue then President Obama doesn't have a filibuster proof majority for very long, perhaps a few months? Hell, he couldn't even get the DREAM ACT through the Senate let alone comprehensive reform.

I'm not sure what your point of this entire thread is...just sounds like senseless bitching to me.

Seriously Jim, you're making the BLAME BUSH crowd look like rank amateurs.

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