Seriously?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Is this different than the 50K plate dinners?
It's a publicity stunt... maybe he'll try and alienate 47% of the population....

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

It's a publicity stunt... maybe he'll try and alienate 47% of the population....

47% of the population needs a stiff kick in the arse

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

47% of the population needs a stiff kick in the arse

Come on now.. you are better than that.

Out of the 47% what % pay payroll tax, meaning they back sh*t.... (whats the cut off, like $26,000 for a married couple?) and how many are true freeloaders...

Federal income tax is probably the only actual progressive tax...

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Come on now.. you are better than that.

Out of the 47% what % pay payroll tax, meaning they back sh*t.... (whats the cut off, like $26,000 for a married couple?) and how many are true freeloaders...

Federal income tax is probably the only actual progressive tax...

sorry if 47% of the population cant earn enough to qualify to pay fed taxes, its pretty f'in sad.
Do you disagree? Is it there fault or someone elses?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

sorry if 47% of the population cant earn enough to qualify to pay fed taxes, its pretty f'in sad.
Do you disagree? Is it there fault or someone elses?

I don't see fault on either side...
The economy has tanked slowly for decades, largely due to the lack of middle class, blue collar manufacturing jobs.

Do you really believe there are that many people that want to be that poor, or don't try just to not pay federal income tax.

the number I heard was that 2/3 of that 47% pays payroll tax, meaning they work. Some big % are elderly, military etc... so how many really are abusing the system, expecting Obama to save the day.... not nearly as many as Mitt wants everyone to think!

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I don't see fault on either side...
The economy has tanked slowly for decades, largely due to the lack of middle class, blue collar manufacturing jobs.

Do you really believe there are that many people that want to be that poor, or don't try just to not pay federal income tax.

the number I heard was that 2/3 of that 47% pays payroll tax, meaning they work. Some big % are elderly, military etc... so how many really are abusing the system, expecting Obama to save the day.... not nearly as many as Mitt wants everyone to think!

Bry, I dont believe that people want to be poor. But I also dont think they want to work that hard at it. We've created a culture of entitlement. In the past 30 years - No one raises their kids to go into manufactrig, they want their kids to go to college, have good jobs. The reality is now that you have tons of kids with this background and a limited amount of jobs. Only those that continue to bust their but are successful the others are at occupy wall st rally whining that they deserve a great middle class life and high salary. its a culture of entitlement. When I was a kid we didnt have cable, didnt have color tv. My parents didnt expect to have that. If they wanted it, they had to pay for it. Now, look at all the people with iphones, ipods, etc. Everyone you see has these phones. How can they afford them. It took me years to get one and I still can barely stomach paying the $100+ a month for data plans for my wife and I! I have friends who have iphones and yet dont save a penny for their kids college. Isnt that a problem? I think thats what has crushed this country and I believe most of these people will vote obama because the have a whats in it for me mentality. Surely not all 47% are deadbeats, i realize many people are on disability, social security, etc. But a majority of that 47% are in a hole THEY dug.

[FishermanTim]

I second that.

They made their bed, now they are looking for someone to give them a new, bigger bed to lie in.

To go one step further, see how many of these people have ANY money saved? Do they have a retirement plan? a bank account?
Heck, do they even have a spare-change jar for loose change?

Probably not, because they tend to think that why should THEY pay for "XXXXX" (insert "house, car, college, healthcare or welfare).

What I find compelling, as well as disturbing, is the general "got-to-have" mentality with the past couple of generations. They're not preparing and/or saving for the future, but living in the here and now.

(See savings comment above for reference.)

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Bry, I dont believe that people want to be poor. But I also dont think they want to work that hard at it. We've created a culture of entitlement. In the past 30 years - No one raises their kids to go into manufactrig, they want their kids to go to college, have good jobs. The reality is now that you have tons of kids with this background and a limited amount of jobs. Only those that continue to bust their but are successful the others are at occupy wall st rally whining that they deserve a great middle class life and high salary. its a culture of entitlement. When I was a kid we didnt have cable, didnt have color tv. My parents didnt expect to have that. If they wanted it, they had to pay for it. Now, look at all the people with iphones, ipods, etc. Everyone you see has these phones. How can they afford them. It took me years to get one and I still can barely stomach paying the $100+ a month for data plans for my wife and I! I have friends who have iphones and yet dont save a penny for their kids college. Isnt that a problem? I think thats what has crushed this country and I believe most of these people will vote obama because the have a whats in it for me mentality. Surely not all 47% are deadbeats, i realize many people are on disability, social security, etc. But a majority of that 47% are in a hole THEY dug.

What a complete load of horse crap.

The USA continues to have the highest worker productivity on the planet.

A typical manufacturing job these days is far more technical than 30 years ago and requires additional education beyond a high school diploma.

Yes, people have iPhones...unless you're on the latest version they're a cheap commodity item any more. Cell phones are replacing land lines for many...how much does phone service cost today compared to 1970? That's right, it's a hell of a lot cheaper.

The Occupy Wall Street crowds aren't there because they feel entitled and don't want to work, it's because they think the system is constraining their opportunity in favor for those on top.

-spence