Romney is funny

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

He goes on the stump and drops the Birther card. No, really!

Four Laughable Explanations for Mitt Romney's Birther Joke

Then he says he believes Obama was born in the US.

Then he says it was just a joke and he'd like everyone to put his and Obama's past behind them and focus on the issues.

Stuff like this will kill him with the independent voters.

-spence

I watched it....horribly offensive and will probably derail the entire campaign...weren't both Presidential candidates asked about their birth certificates the last time around and wasn't the republican the first to be asked about his birthplace or certificate?...maybe he's just getting that one out of the way probably very smart and prudent


McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

I watched it....horribly offensive and will probably derail the entire campaign...

You're missing the point. Romney can't come off as genuine even when he's trying...and you guys think Obama is fake. I'm really surprised actually that he'd go there.

And the Ryan addition looks like it will just highlight Romney's flip flops.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

You're missing the point. Romney can't come off as genuine even when he's trying...and you guys think Obama is fake. I'm really surprised actually that he'd go there.

And the Ryan addition looks like it will just highlight Romney's flip flops.

-spence

that's at least one point of view...cheers!

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by spence

You're missing the point. Romney can't come off as genuine even when he's trying...and you guys think Obama is fake. I'm really surprised actually that he'd go there.

And the Ryan addition looks like it will just highlight Romney's flip flops.

-spence

I did think it was a pretty crude attempt at pokin Obama
and the guy gets offended about askin for tax returns and he said that we should let Detroit go bankrupt after getting a bailout at Bain.
Do as I say not as I do

[Fly Rod]

He had a GREAT SPEECH today....He will be the next president....regardless of the birth certificate remark.

Barry is a fake

[Nebe]

How anyone can support Romney after his history at Bain Capital or what ever that place is spelled is beyond me... Lets see.. Bain Capital buys a company, fires everyone and outsources the jobs overseas..

mmmm yeah.. thats patriotic.

[Sea Dangles]

Running a business is about the bottom line,when a new leader comes in loyalty is not the issue.Profit margin is pretty much the only factor stockholders are concaerned with.
Romney has business experience
Romney knows youmust balance a checkbook
Romney will not tolerate giving money to the sad sacks of society
So all the armchair patriots who drive imported automobiles or hire immigrants workers on the cheap can speak up about how to be an American.
If Obama is still inspiring hope with anyone,raise your hand and be ridiculed.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Running a business is about the bottom line,when a new leader comes in loyalty is not the issue.Profit margin is pretty much the only factor stockholders are concaerned with.
Romney has business experience

So we should run the USA on the basis of shareholder value?

It is incredibly rare for a large company to have a compact with it's employees where everybody is genuinely in it to keep the ship afloat. Perhaps the only one I can think of is Lincoln Electric Corp...

Romney knows youmust balance a checkbook

Didn't MA lead the country in debt per person when he was Gov?

Romney will not tolerate giving money to the sad sacks of society

Sure he will.

It's easy to make grand promises about letting the poor fend for themselves when you're on the campaign trail pandering to ex-Palin devotees.

But once that decision will be recorded in real statistics of child malnourishment and homelessness under your watch things get a bit more tricky.

So all the armchair patriots who drive imported automobiles or hire immigrants workers on the cheap can speak up about how to be an American.

Every car these days is imported. Your GM or Ford is jacked with nearly 1/2 it's parts parts made in Mexico or other countries. That Toyota or BMW might have just been assembled by Americans in South Carolina, Indiana or Tennessee depending on the model.

If Obama is still inspiring hope with anyone,raise your hand and be ridiculed.

Bush wasn't inspiring hope in 2004 and yet he won. People don't vote for the best choice, they vote for the least worst choice.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

How anyone can support Romney after his history at Bain Capital or what ever that place is spelled is beyond me... Lets see.. Bain Capital buys a company, fires everyone and outsources the jobs overseas..

mmmm yeah.. thats patriotic.

His record at Bain was largely successful. The company you refer to, and which Obama campaign spews the drivel that you have bought into, GS Steel, was already on the verge of collapse when Bain invested in it, in order to return it to profitability. Actually, Bain kept the company running for seven years longer that it would have if it hadn't taken over. We were being flooded with cheap steel imports during this period and many steel companies (about 30) went out of business. Bain was accused of loading the company with debt in order to suck money out of it for consulting fees, etc. But GS Steel had outdated equipment, was in financial difficulty due to the cheap imports, so money had to be borrowed to update the company and grow it to a competitive size if it was to be profitable. So the Obama campaign team accused it of being driven by greed and profits rather than caring about jobs. It is obvious that the nature of business is driven by profit. Without profit there would be no jobs. The investment failed and the company went bankrupt. The jobs from GS Steel were not outsourced overseas.

As an interesting sidenote to Obama's team painting Bain as an evil vampire that sucks the life out of business, so far Obama has received $150,000 in campaign contributions from Bain. Democrats have received more contributions from Bain than have Republicans. In the last three election cycles, Bain employees have given Democrats $1.2 million (mostly from top executives), and have given Republicans over $480,000. Obama, in spite of defining Bain as greedy corporate job destroyers, has hired Bain executives to help his administration or his campaign. He named Boris Borshteyn, a former consultant for Bain Capital, to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. In Jan. 2012 he named Jeffrey Zients as his acting budget chief. Zients worked at Bain & Co. from 1988 to 1990. And Obama hired Jonathan Levine as his major fund raiser for his campaign. Levine is the person who was ACTUALLY in charge of Bain Capital at the time GS Steel went bankrupt. So Obama hires the man who was actually in charge during the time when he accuses Romney of being responsible for the layoffs.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

His record at Bain was largely successful.

While I would agree that calling out a single anecdote to pain a larger picture isn't exactly fair, I do think assessing what Romney might have really learned at Bain is fair in context of how he might apply it to Presidential leadership.

A large private equity firm like Bain isn't like a normal business. Certainly private equity serves a necessary purpose in the marketplace, but these organizations are known for pushing the envelope when it comes to secrecy, intentional organizational complexity and tax avoidance schemes.

Romney made a hell of a lot of money at Bain and by some reports continued to after he technically left the company. It's interesting that with the transparency which usually accompanies a Presidential nominee, we still understand very little about Romney's fortune.

That Romney is being so tight lipped on the subject does leave several questions lingering.

-spence

[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by Nebe

How anyone can support Romney after his history at Bain Capital or what ever that place is spelled is beyond me... Lets see.. Bain Capital buys a company, fires everyone and outsources the jobs overseas..

mmmm yeah.. thats patriotic.

Yup, and NAFTA helped that become eben easier.